We hit the tipping point last night. 50.1% of American voters

[MDVOL]

came down on the side of the takers, the parasites, demanding they be "given things" by the government as if the government can give them anything without taking it from someone else.

Get Even With 'em ism is the official motto of the democrat party and nothing but misery lies ahead.

I hope the Republicans step aside and allow the democrats to cause the complete and total economic collapse that is now guaranteed.

Those with the money in the Stock Market should invest in commodities as there will be shortages and massive price increases just like we had in 1979-1981.

It took that to wake up this nation and allow is to have Ronald Reagan and prosperity that we enjoyed for another 25 years.

I just hope there is another out there with Reagan's ability.

BTW, that incompetent boob that was re-elected announced he wants "Carbon Taxes" to offset his Equine Excrement spending.

Hope he gets it.

Hope it causes gasoline and electricity prices to quadruple like the libtarards want. No swifter way to trigger a massive economic collapse.
That coupled with the already massive tax increases that are automatic starting Jan.1

 

[bobhawg]

Let me remind you that Ronald Reagan ran on a platform that said he would reduce the federal budget. He did not. But he did manage to more than double the national debt. Is that your idea of a great president? And in case you missed it, there was a pretty good recession in some the Reagan administration years.

I understand your guy lost, but the real crime to me is virtually all of the incumbents in Congress, the real villains here, got reelected.

 

[nashvillerebel]

Well, don't forget that people like me (attorney) voted for him too. In fact I'm sure that at least 2 or 3 other working whites voted for him. So there's that. And it's also hard to blame Hispanics for voting for him, given Romney's anti-immigration statements during the primaries which were geared towards pandering to the whack jobs on the right.

Finally, I'll bet five of you $20 each that 10 million new jobs will be created the next four years.
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[jete2]

Shocker, an attorney voted for Obama. You really believe that 10 million jobs will be created over the next 10 years? Based on what? But of course you do, your a liberal...that's why. Friend, let me tell you, the only thing I take delight in is liberals like you will suffer the same economic misery that the rest of us will continue to suffer under this statist regime. You have probably never had to make a payroll or deal with the crushing regulations this administration has foisted on us. I am not hiring people and neither is anyone else. We don't even know the effects of Obamacare yet. Wait till that fully kicks in. The economy will get worse before it gets better. With all due respect, you and your friends have no idea what is ahead out of ignorance or stupidity.

 

[nashvillerebel]

Originally posted by jete2:
Shocker, an attorney voted for Obama.

Things must be different in Arkansas. I've lived in Mississippi, Tennessee and Kentucky, and attorneys are pretty much uniformly old white stuff shirted Republicans. I can honestly say I've never heard of anyone accuse attorneys, as a group, of being a bunch of liberals. Just the opposite in my observation, but your experience may be different.

You really believe that 10 million jobs will be created over the next 10 years? Based on what?

Based on 2 things.

First, over the past abysmal 18 months, guess how many jobs have been created? 2.9 million.

Second, Moodys and the CBO call for between 9.6 and 11.7 jobs to be created (in the next FOUR years, not ten by the way).

You have probably never had to make a payroll or deal with the crushing regulations this administration has foisted on us.

This made me chuckle, but since you don't know me personally I don't hold it against you. Yes, I've had to make payroll all my life.

 

[bobhawg]

And in all due respect to you sir, that attitude that all who disagree with you are idiots is one big reason you lost last night.

 

[jete2]

Lost??? I didn't run for an office this year. I didn't lose last night. No, that's a lie, My son did beat me in a game of H-O-R-S-E.

 

[hpharri1994]

Originally posted by MDVOL:
came down on the side of the takers, the parasites, demanding they be "given things" by the government as if the government can give them anything without taking it from someone else.

Get Even With 'em ism is the official motto of the democrat party and nothing but misery lies ahead.

I hope the Republicans step aside and allow the democrats to cause the complete and total economic collapse that is now guaranteed.

Those with the money in the Stock Market should invest in commodities as there will be shortages and massive price increases just like we had in 1979-1981.

It took that to wake up this nation and allow is to have Ronald Reagan and prosperity that we enjoyed for another 25 years.

I just hope there is another out there with Reagan's ability.

BTW, that incompetent boob that was re-elected announced he wants "Carbon Taxes" to offset his Equine Excrement spending.

Hope he gets it.

Hope it causes gasoline and electricity prices to quadruple like the libtarards want. No swifter way to trigger a massive economic collapse.
That coupled with the already massive tax increases that are automatic starting Jan.1

I hope that your joke of party continues to think this way. The GOP won't win a presidential election for a long, long time.

 

[RazorvoirHogs]

Originally posted by nashvillerebel:
Well, don't forget that people like me (attorney) voted for him too. In fact I'm sure that at least 2 or 3 other working whites voted for him. So there's that. And it's also hard to blame Hispanics for voting for him, given Romney's anti-immigration statements during the primaries which were geared towards pandering to the whack jobs on the right.

Finally, I'll bet five of you $20 each that 10 million new jobs will be created the next four years.
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This. Every bit of it. Except the attorney part and I don't want to take that bet because that is almost exactly what the CBO is projecting.

Keep it up guys, with the radicals like some on this board steering the Republican ship, your party won't win the presidency for the foreseeable future.

 

[MDVOL]

Moronic drivel. The economic crash that is coming is 100% certain

Plus, there have only been 2 democrats ever elected after another served 8 years

Martin Van Buren and Harry Truman. That's it. democrats always screw up the nation and the country gets sick of them. Even in 2000 after 6 years of prosperity created because Clinton let the Republicans run the nation while he snorted Coke and diddled interns.

 

[nashvillerebel]

Re: Moronic drivel. The economic crash that is coming is 100% certain


oops
This post was edited on 11/8 2:29 PM by nashvillerebel

 

[bobhawg]

Re: Moronic drivel. The economic crash that is coming is 100% certain

I did not look it up, but from memory: Ike had 8 years, followed by a Democrat, Reagan had 8 followed a one term Bush, then Clinton, Bush two had 8 followed by Obama. So it appears since 1930 only one Republican has been elected following a two term GOP guy. and I think out of that time period, Demos have been in office 41 years, GOP 36.

Which basically indicates to me, neither party handles power well.

 

[Ole Hambone]

Originally posted by bobhawg:
Let me remind you that Ronald Reagan ran on a platform that said he would reduce the federal budget. He did not. But he did manage to more than double the national debt. Is that your idea of a great president? And in case you missed it, there was a pretty good recession in some the Reagan administration years.

I understand your guy lost, but the real crime to me is virtually all of the incumbents in Congress, the real villains here, got reelected.

Debt is only meaningful when measured against income.

While Reagon did increase the debt, you have to also remember that he set us on the path to tremendous economic prosperity that eventually cut the deficit to almost zero....

 

[Ole Hambone]

Nashville, that is absolutely LAUGHABLE. Those are NOT net jobs.

I don't care if our economy creates 20,000,000 new jobs if we lose 22,000,000 for a net loss of 2 million jobs. You just wait until all the taxes kick in after Jan 1. We are headed for atleast 2 or 3 more years of misery.

And who will suffer the most? The middle class and the poor.

 

[bobhawg]

I think one advantage Reagan had that no president now can have is he was president when we still had a manufacturing base way larger than it is now. As a result, his tax policies and general policies still had a chance of great production and consumption of our own products. Now, we make virtually zero clothes, few if any appliances, TVs, electronics etc. They are now made all over the world and we were told that in the Information Age, we would not need to make things, but service the new world of intelligence devices, i.e, computers and such and guys behind monitors talking to customers.

We could argue all day about how this came about, but in fact, it did. And the result is, we are losing the basic blue collar working class in America. Frankly, I do not think any of the simple answers of bygone times works any more. So I believe that simply lowering taxes or giving tax credits or more Socialism will work as it used to and we need to adjust to the new economics of our position or we will all suffer greatly. And frankly, I do not know the answers.

 

[Ole Hambone]

To a large degree, what killed our manufacturing was increasing labor cost and overhead from regulations.

Manutfacturing went overseas looking for lower wages and less onerous regulation.


And, who pushed up wages and benefits? Unions, heavy duty democratic supporters and visa versa.

And who drove up regulations? Democrats. Now, you can argue about the benefits of cleaner air, cleaner water, OSHA regulations and the such... but there was a cost in manufacturing jbos. You have to way out the benfits and cost of each side....

 

[bobhawg]

I live 15 miles from Griffin, Georgia. 50 years ago, I would say 90% of the workers in that town worked in the garment industry including making Denim for Blue Jeans and cloth for towels etc. And they also made the finished clothes. All of that is now gone.

I have wondered for years it it really is cheaper to make the cloth in America which they still do and send the material overseas and bring it back as I cannot conceive of the shipping costs being less than the wages of the American workers. I know companies like Whitehall years ago moved all the drug manufacturing to Puerto Rico because corporate profit there is not taxable by IRS, which has nothing to do with labor costs.

What I am trying to say is I doubt if there was any simple reasons for what happened, but it did and I doubt if there are any simple solutions. And it will take a miracle for the Congress to make policy that will help all of us. I do feel that soon,very soon, we will have a two class society and it might take decades to change that, if it can be done.

Europe at one time got old and stagnated but found a new world across the ocean and used that for a few centuries, but our future seems to be a colony of China.

 

[nashvillerebel]

Mehku
This post was edited on 11/8 9:24 PM by nashvillerebel

 

[nashvillerebel]

Originally posted by original hambone:

While Reagon did increase the debt, you have to also remember that he set us on the path to tremendous economic prosperity that eventually cut the deficit to almost zero....

I liked Reagan a lot, but let's face it -- the early 90's recession happened, and it was Clinton not Reagan who pulled us out of it and "set us on the path to tremendous economic prosperity".

 

[PeteJC]

And we were in a recession when Clinton left office and Bush II took over. Remember we all got tax return stimulus checks injecting cash directly into the economy to use to our liking. Unlike the Obama stim that gave money to failed dream green jobs.

 

[Ole Hambone]

Originally posted by nashvillerebel:

Originally posted by original hambone:

While Reagon did increase the debt, you have to also remember that he set us on the path to tremendous economic prosperity that eventually cut the deficit to almost zero....

I liked Reagan a lot, but let's face it -- the early 90's recession happened, and it was Clinton not Reagan who pulled us out of it and "set us on the path to tremendous economic prosperity".

You are wrong. Reagan set the stage for our huge bull market. When the economy booms as long as it did under Reagan and H.W. Bush you have to expect it to take a breather... and then it took off again. Clinton had NOTHING to do with it. Several factors played into our second win. One was the computer revolution which increased economies effeciency. The recession at the end of H.W.'s Presidency was extremely shallow and short lived. But, it's timing was just right to get Clinton elected. That and 3rd party canidate Ross Perot.

Also powering the 2nd wind was the reduction in military spending and the Cold War ended. You can thank Reagan for that also.

Clinton lucked out as he became President just as government revenues were topping out and government spending was at a low. Inspite of that, it is an absolute myth that Clinton gave us a balanced budet. He came darn close his next to last year but he nver game us a balanced budget. AND, the Democrats who say Clinton got us to zero debt obviously don't understand the difference between debt and deficit.
This post was edited on 11/8 11:19 PM by original hambone

 

[MDVOL]

FDR's decision to never leave office is why the numbers are a bit skewed.

Only ever been 2 sitting V/P's ever elected President(3 with Nixon, but Joe Kennedy, Big Dick Daley and Sam Giancana stole it from him) in our history

John Adams and George Bush the elder

The Former because people thought they were getting George Washington's 3rd term and the latter because people thought they were getting Ronald's 3rd term.
The people were disappointed.

Since FDR, the nation has been of the opinion that familiarity breeds contempt and throws the party out of power after 8 years.

Plus, had it not been for WWII breaking out, FDR would most likely not been re-elected in 1940 as he was an absolute failure economically.

Hitler saved the man who led to his defeat and the total destruction of the Third Reich.
Kinda ironic. FDR was a lousy domestic president. But as a CIC, he and Lincoln stand alone as the two great war time presidents.

 

[bobhawg]

Re: FDR's decision to never leave office is why the numbers are a bit skewed.

Certainly, the great depression affected the entire world like nothing for centuries. I doubt if most younger people today have any idea how bad things were in the 1930's. And I agree FDR's four terms were mainly because of the depression and then the war.

I actually remember as a youth that a Republican could not get elected dog catcher in the deep south, now a GOP lock. The GOP has been very smart in that part of the country and used gay rights, abortion and immigration to lock up those states as the sun belt states became more affluent compared to the 1930's.

But I think the world leader who had WW2 figured out best was Winston Churchill, FDR actually was not very astute on the possibilities of post war events but Churchill realized what Stalin had in mind, FDR did not. In fact, Churchill named the last book in his WW2 history as "Triumph and tragedy" The tragedy being the failure to stop Stalin in his tracks when we had the opportunity.

In any event, history is only realized fully after the fact, not during the events.

 

[MDVOL]

And the British gave us an insight into what we would have here and now

As soon as the bombs quit falling and after Churchill had saved them when no other could have possibly have done so what did the British do?

They fired him because they did not want to have to work, sacrifice, and slowly rebuild an economic power to the place it once was as he rightly purposed.


They wanted their "free stuff" and they and a candidate promising it.

It was not FDR and Churchill that decided upon surendering all of eastern and central europe to Soviet tyranny.

It was Truman and Attlee(although FDR laid the groundwork with his false hope Stalin would "moderate" because we saved them)

 

[rzrbk7777]

Re: And the British gave us an insight into what we would have here and now


Got some bad news for you left leaners.

Raising taxes on the "rich" stands to generate 38 bil a year. The trillion dollar figure obama is throwing out is a bold faced lie.

Taxing the rich, aka the producers of products and services and the hirers of workers, will always trickle back down to the consumers, aka the little guys. The Obama regime knows this and also knows the little guys are too ignorant to know it too. The goal is not to be fair, the goal is to play class warfare in order to create bigger government.

The interest we currently pay on our borrowed money is 220 bil.

We are currently going a trillion plus in the hole a year under our current regime.

If interest rates rebound back to normal levels, our yearly interest costs will be 700 bil which will make us immediately insolvent.

We spend more per child for education than any country on earth but we get far less per education dollar than many other countries. Obama's plan is to throw more money at an already extremely wasteful system. Reasons? Not better education, but more expendable cash for those who wasted it, aka, the teacher's unions and the teachers who promote more social engineering these days than reading, writing, and arithmatic.

The average cost of a welfare household to the taxpayer is 60k a year. No wonder nobody wants entry level jobs anymore.The problem with freebees is they are never enough and they are seldom appreciated. The more unearned stuff that comes one's way, the more they feel mistreated. Weird aspect of human nature, but exceptions are extremely rare.

We are providing food, housing, cable, cell phones, internet, medical, utilities, and cash to almost 50% of the nation, including millions who are able to work and millions who are here illegally.

Yet we just re-elected a guy who wants to continue to feed the monster with borrowed money, entitle and encourage folks to be irresponsible, rule, reg, and fee private business in the ground, and drive the prices of energy through the roof. And you guys want to gloat about it.

We cannot continue like this people. It is impossible to sustain. So, what are you guys so happy about?
This post was edited on 11/15 5:57 PM by rzrbk7777