Having a coach big on safety

[Naturallyhawgferocious]

Is this a positive or negative? I just seems that the off season regimen that he has implemented causes us to be be injured. I've listened to Tom Herman and he said that they will be very physical in the off season and all phases. He said that you will see more injuries in teams that don't tackle as much because you can't simulate live game speed of tackling . If you think about it our injuries have risen since he implemented the new way of practice & drills. Just want the boards opinion..

 

[gbbaber]

Having a big safety coach?

 

[Hog73]

Having a big safety coach?

Could he mean a coach who has a "Safety first", "no injury" approach. IMHO, our tackling is already bad enough without reducing it further.

 

[U Boar Me]

I get where you're going OP and it seems this team is softer with the new approach. It's ironic b/c of our style, but yes, I tend to agree with you... more in the physicality department, less the injuries.

 

[gohawgsgo]

I think Rhodes is medium sized?

 

[DaxC]

A lot of safety coaches played corner. As they got older, they transition to safety. So, most safety coaches aren't big.

 

[porkmeister1]

Hmmmm? We certainly haven't tackled well the last couple of years. Maybe as we add depth across the boards CBB will go back to physical camps. We actually are deeper in some position groups just not all yet. If you can survive injury wise I do think it gives your team a hard edge that many others don't have.

 

[Lefty8]

LOL. This team is not soft, and the title of this thread is awful

 

[dmjinc71]

I get where you're going OP and it seems this team is softer with the new approach. It's ironic b/c of our style, but yes, I tend to agree with you... more in the physicality department, less the injuries.

Yes in the physicality department early on last year. But I went back and watched the game again, and I don't know that physicality was a problem against La Tech. We seemed to battle pretty hard in the trenches. RWIII and Kody Walker run really physically - RWIII may be too physical and sometimes go for contact instead of trying to shake a tackler.

And on injuries, have ours really risen? It seems like this year we are not nearly as injured as this time last year, but I don't have any numbers to try to verify that. With Tutt and now Richardson hurt, it impacts us because we were already thin at secondary.

What stood out to me were some very correctable problems. On the offensive side, guys were missing blocks and it killed a couple of drives. Froholdt had a few glaring ones, but from what I hear he's a smart kid and it won't take him long to learn. On the defensive side, on both their TD drives we had a 3rd and long that could have stopped the drive, but in both cases we allowed a quick slant route to go for a 1st down. Not to mention the two picks that led to the scoring drives. 2nd pick was a killer because we were about to score and go up 21-7.

To me, our problem was not Bielema's offseason/camp philosophy on contact. It was some football 101 stuff, a handful of mistakes that the other team capitalized on.

 

[dmjinc71]

LOL. This team is not soft, and the title of this thread is awful

Yes the title is bad.

 

[Naturallyhawgferocious]

Yes in the physicality department early on last year. But I went back and watched the game again, and I don't know that physicality was a problem against La Tech. We seemed to battle pretty hard in the trenches. RWIII and Kody Walker run really physically - RWIII may be too physical and sometimes go for contact instead of trying to shake a tackler.

And on injuries, have ours really risen? It seems like this year we are not nearly as injured as this time last year, but I don't have any numbers to try to verify that. With Tutt and now Richardson hurt, it impacts us because we were already thin at secondary.

What stood out to me were some very correctable problems. On the offensive side, guys were missing blocks and it killed a couple of drives. Froholdt had a few glaring ones, but from what I hear he's a smart kid and it won't take him long to learn. On the defensive side, on both their TD drives we had a 3rd and long that could have stopped the drive, but in both cases we allowed a quick slant route to go for a 1st down. Not to mention the two picks that led to the scoring drives. 2nd pick was a killer because we were about to score and go up 21-7.

To me, our problem was not Bielema's offseason/camp philosophy on contact. It was some football 101 stuff, a handful of mistakes that the other team capitalized on.

If you look at the injuries the past couple of years than yes the numbers seem to indicate that.

 

[Naturallyhawgferocious]

Yes in the physicality department early on last year. But I went back and watched the game again, and I don't know that physicality was a problem against La Tech. We seemed to battle pretty hard in the trenches. RWIII and Kody Walker run really physically - RWIII may be too physical and sometimes go for contact instead of trying to shake a tackler.

And on injuries, have ours really risen? It seems like this year we are not nearly as injured as this time last year, but I don't have any numbers to try to verify that. With Tutt and now Richardson hurt, it impacts us because we were already thin at secondary.

What stood out to me were some very correctable problems. On the offensive side, guys were missing blocks and it killed a couple of drives. Froholdt had a few glaring ones, but from what I hear he's a smart kid and it won't take him long to learn. On the defensive side, on both their TD drives we had a 3rd and long that could have stopped the drive, but in both cases we allowed a quick slant route to go for a 1st down. Not to mention the two picks that led to the scoring drives. 2nd pick was a killer because we were about to score and go up 21-7.

To me, our problem was not Bielema's offseason/camp philosophy on contact. It was some football 101 stuff, a handful of mistakes that the other team capitalized on.

If you look at the injuries the past couple of years than yes the numbers seem to indicate that.

 

[dmjinc71]

If you look at the injuries the past couple of years than yes the numbers seem to indicate that.

Where are you getting the numbers? Do we published injury reports like the NFL?

 

[futurehawgdad9]

Is this a positive or negative? I just seems that the off season regimen that he has implemented causes us to be be injured. I've listened to Tom Herman and he said that they will be very physical in the off season and all phases. He said that you will see more injuries in teams that don't tackle as much because you can't simulate live game speed of tackling . If you think about it our injuries have risen since he implemented the new way of practice & drills. Just want the boards opinion..

so what do you think we should be doing? How often should we tackle to the ground each week?

 

[mallardhog]

Is this a positive or negative? I just seems that the off season regimen that he has implemented causes us to be be injured. I've listened to Tom Herman and he said that they will be very physical in the off season and all phases. He said that you will see more injuries in teams that don't tackle as much because you can't simulate live game speed of tackling . If you think about it our injuries have risen since he implemented the new way of practice & drills. Just want the boards opinion..

Can the board set up a "Go Fund Me" page so we can ban the OP's 5 different user names. That way Trey won't lose any money.

 

[dmjinc71]

so what do you think we should be doing? How often should we tackle to the ground each week?

I think the OP should be tackled to the ground every time he starts a thread

 

[dmjinc71]

Can the board set up a "Go Fund Me" page so we can ban the OP's 5 different user names. That way Trey won't lose any money.

It's especially enjoyable when two or more of his handles start responding to each other. I get this mental image when I read those.

 

[jcrhogs]

If you look at the injuries the past couple of years than yes the numbers seem to indicate that.

Other teams have just as many injuries over the same time period we just don't hear about them because we are not following and keeping up with them.

 

[londonhawg]

I think its going to be difficult to get a full grasp on what our D-backs can accomplish this season by using TCU as the ultimate measuring tool, although we hope to see improvement TCU will pass on any team in the country. Woo Pig

 

[Mountain_Hog]

This seems like a question for Finebaum

 

[Naturallyhawgferocious]

Other teams have just as many injuries over the same time period we just don't hear about them because we are not following and keeping up with them.

True but majority of those teams have implemented similar practices.

 

[mallardhog]

True but majority of those teams have implemented similar practices.

So, extra hitting is going to prevent a torn pectoral and 2 ACL injuries? That is what you are saying, right?

 

[Naturallyhawgferocious]

So, extra hitting is going to prevent a torn pectoral and 2 ACL injuries? That is what you are saying, right?

Maybe, like Hermon said you can't simulate tackling but most of all how to get talked. If your not as use to getting hit to the ground and falling to the ground could cause injuries.

 

[GoHogs3]

We already know what starting a season without top RB like Williams last year and Davis under CBP can do to setting what could have been seasons into well what if seasons. NFL teams don't go blow each other up in the off seasons. Sure you have to get enough full speed practices in but you have to protect your players.

 

[Woodlands_Hog]

It's football, kids get hurt. Last I checked UH QB might miss the game Saturday.

As far as being physical, that's on the kids not the practice schedule.

 

[futurehawgdad9]

Maybe, like Hermon said you can't simulate tackling but most of all how to get talked. If your not as use to getting hit to the ground and falling to the ground could cause injuries.

What injuries other than Richardson have been because of being or not being tackled?

Several of these injuries were non contact, shit just happens.

 

[BossHog11]

Nick Saban coaches his DB's...... Safety is also a DB position.

 

[jcrhogs]

so what do you think we should be doing? How often should we tackle to the ground each week?

Once the season starts very few teams tackle to the ground more than once a week.

 

[Exec_Search]

Can the board set up a "Go Fund Me" page so we can ban the OP's 5 different user names. That way Trey won't lose any money.

Unless the poster is Trey in his alter ego and his membership is free?

 

[futurehawgdad9]

Once the season starts very few teams tackle to the ground more than once a week.

I know that, I was asking him what he would do since he believes not tackling correlates to injuries

 

[louisianahawg]

Most programs are much more physical in the offseason/spring b/c the injured will have time to recover.

 

[dmjinc71]

Most programs are much more physical in the offseason/spring b/c the injured will have time to recover.

I believe we tackled plenty in the spring, didn't we? I'm trying to figure out what it is that CBB is doing different from Petrino that is supposed to explain the (yet to be proven) increase in injuries.

When CBP was here, was the defense cut loose in practice to fly around and make leg tackles? I seem to remember they weren't even encouraged to try to break up passes because Petrino wanted the offense to be able to work on their timing. That's why anytime we went against Alabama we got manhandled. We are much more physical now than we were then. So I'm just scratching my head here.

 

[BOSSHOGFREE]

I don't know that this is THE problem as much as it is one PART OF a bigger issue. Lot of BS in this thread when the facts are that we have been a very poor defensive team to start the past 3 seasons. This season may be different but this past Saturday wasn't pretty. Why do I feel like another 3 years from now some of you will still be ignoring any real issues in this program?

In before someone says "when will I acknowledge the positives in this program" when I do and you all write it off as some sort of elaborate troll Jedi mind trick. I've said that I don't think BB ever wins more than 8 regular season games here with Brandon as QB or Chaney as OC, that came true. Both are gone and I still don't see us with more than 8 regular season wins any time soon. I'm not sorry to say that isn't where I believe we should go.

Now, back to the masses shouting down a realistic question after 3+ years of observation to go on.

 

[HowardHog]

I don't know that this is THE problem as much as it is one PART OF a bigger issue. Lot of BS in this thread when the facts are that we have been a very poor defensive team to start the past 3 seasons. This season may be different but this past Saturday wasn't pretty. Why do I feel like another 3 years from now some of you will still be ignoring any real issues in this program?

In before someone says "when will I acknowledge the positives in this program" when I do and you all write it off as some sort of elaborate troll Jedi mind trick. I've said that I don't think BB ever wins more than 8 regular season games here with Brandon as QB or Chaney as OC, that came true. Both are gone and I still don't see us with more than 8 regular season wins any time soon. I'm not sorry to say that isn't where I believe we should go.

Now, back to the masses shouting down a realistic question after 3+ years of observation to go on.

Ok Im on the BOSSHOG train now.

What do I need to do? Protest outside of Bielema's house? Throw eggs at his house? Roundup you suck in his grass? Set his truck on fire? Make a cardboard sign that reads" Boycotting Bielema" and stand at the front gates on game days? Get a loud speaker and repeat "WAKE UP BLIND SHEEP THIS IS A CONSPIRACY FOR JEFF LONG TO INCREASE REVENUES, HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE FOOTBALL PROGRAMS DIRECTION"

Just let me know and I'll jump right on it.

 

[hawgclucker]

BB must have kicked a couple of you off the practice field the way you act.

 

[BOSSHOGFREE]

Ok Im on the BOSSHOG train now.

What do I need to do? Protest outside of Bielema's house? Throw eggs at his house? Roundup you suck in his grass? Set his truck on fire? Make a cardboard sign that reads" Boycotting Bielema" and stand at the front gates on game days? Get a loud speaker and repeat "WAKE UP BLIND SHEEP THIS IS A CONSPIRACY FOR JEFF LONG TO INCREASE REVENUES, HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE FOOTBALL PROGRAMS DIRECTION"

Just let me know and I'll jump right on it.

Because you are crazy if you don't think BB is the second coming of Saban right? Just be honest with yourself.

 

[dmjinc71]

I don't know that this is THE problem as much as it is one PART OF a bigger issue. Lot of BS in this thread when the facts are that we have been a very poor defensive team to start the past 3 seasons. This season may be different but this past Saturday wasn't pretty. Why do I feel like another 3 years from now some of you will still be ignoring any real issues in this program?

In before someone says "when will I acknowledge the positives in this program" when I do and you all write it off as some sort of elaborate troll Jedi mind trick. I've said that I don't think BB ever wins more than 8 regular season games here with Brandon as QB or Chaney as OC, that came true. Both are gone and I still don't see us with more than 8 regular season wins any time soon. I'm not sorry to say that isn't where I believe we should go.

Now, back to the masses shouting down a realistic question after 3+ years of observation to go on.

I acknowledge the slow starts, not just on defense. Last year we started slow on offense too. I find it immensely frustrating. But was that the topic of the thread? I thought the OP posited that changes in drills/practices have led to an increase in injuries. My first issue with that is what evidence do we have that there has been an increase in injuries? If he can demonstrate that, then where is the evidence that it's lack of tackling in drills that leads to it? It's just all conjecture.

But on to your point: what are the real issues in the program that we're all ignoring? I know a lot of people harp on you for being negative, I'm not trying to do that. I'm trying to understand what it is you think CBB is doing wrong (or not doing right)? What would some other coach (one we could actually get) be doing differently? Not just "I expect a higher ceiling than 8 wins".

Am I happy about how we looked last week? Hell no. I wanted to thump La Tech and send a message. But I'm not sure I see the real issues we're all ignoring.

 

[HowardHog]

Because you are crazy if you don't think BB is the second coming of Saban right? Just be honest with yourself.

My life doesn't revolve around this football program. It's entertainment to me, now if I personally were donating thousands of dollars to the program then sure I would like for my voice to be heard but I don't.

I don't wake up Sunday mornings pissed off at BB and the direction of the program. If you do (which it's quite obvious that you do) then I feel sorry for you.

I'm not asking you to be a sunshine pumper but you have to realize that we are in Arkansas. We're limited in our success mostly due to demographics. We'll never be a BAMA or a Florida yet you continually and moan about every little negative you can find. I can't imagine what type of person you must be to hang around with all the pessimism you ooze.

I shouldn't have responded to you in the first place
“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

I hope you have a joyful weekend man.

 

[BOSSHOGFREE]

My life doesn't revolve around this football program. It's entertainment to me, now if I personally were donating thousands of dollars to the program then sure I would like for my voice to be heard but I don't.

I don't wake up Sunday mornings pissed off at BB and the direction of the program. If you do (which it's quite obvious that you do) then I feel sorry for you.

I'm not asking you to be a sunshine pumper but you have to realize that we are in Arkansas. We're limited in our success mostly due to demographics. We'll never be a BAMA or a Florida yet you continually and moan about every little negative you can find. I can't imagine what type of person you must be to hang around with all the pessimism you ooze.

I shouldn't have responded to you in the first place
“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

I hope you have a joyful weekend man.

Blah blah blah blah... you're an idiot and I'm not.... blah blah blah blah

Truly stunning argument

 

[Trey Biddy]

Is this a positive or negative? I just seems that the off season regimen that he has implemented causes us to be be injured. I've listened to Tom Herman and he said that they will be very physical in the off season and all phases. He said that you will see more injuries in teams that don't tackle as much because you can't simulate live game speed of tackling . If you think about it our injuries have risen since he implemented the new way of practice & drills. Just want the boards opinion..

I've been covering Hog football 13 years. I've covered enough players to put together a full team on O and D who 'made it' in the NFL....at every position except both safety spots.