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the UofA & the Razorbacks? I think good thoughts of them because they are in Arkansas and I think in one way or the other....they have had a huge impact on the Hogs sports programs. Of course Bud Walton is a given :)

Saw this and please don't discuss this because politics will get involved and kill my post

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michae...ns&utm_campaign=b-BernieSandersStopWalmartAct

Bernie Sanders Vows in Tweet to ‘Put an End’ to Walmart's ‘Outrageous Greed’ with ‘The Stop WALMART Act’
 
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A few things and some of these are repeated from common threads, so SIAP:

  1. Comparing CEO pay and employee pay is silly. For some companies, it works. For ones like Walmart that employs over 2 million folks, doesn’t have shoppers pay to shop at its stores AND aims to keep costs down, it doesn’t make sense. Due to the sheer scale of the business and the fact it’s retail, there’s going to be a ton of entry-level jobs.
  2. No one ever talks about the alternative jobs for people working at Walmart. It may be the only place, sure, but if there were others willing to pay more and hiring, those folks are able to pursue the higher paying roles. The fact the folks are employed is a good thing.
  3. Living wage arguments are difficult. I would imagine only a small % of lower skilled workers would actually use the $’s toward stabilizing their lifestyles. We’re all human, so if someone is making $12/hr and a “living wage” is $15/hr, those extra $3 probably get spent on discretionary goods. I’m going to sound like my grandpa, but how many people do we all know that are struggling to make ends meet but have a cellphone, decent car, cable, internet and etc.? A true living wage isn’t a threshold to meet basic expenses. A living wage should be one that allows folks to cover expenses, pay for benefits/retirement and have some $’s left over to either save or be entertained. In my opinion, not every role should pay that kind of money, and there needs to be roles that incentivize upward mobility either in the company or outside it. For ones that aren’t able to earn a living wage for whatever reason, those are the type of folks that need aid.
  4. Walmart is going to have its pros and cons like every for-profit company, but overall, it’s has a positive impact on society. It keeps consumable prices low, generates jobs (oftentimes more than it displaces) and donates a ton back to the community ($1B+) every year.
 
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Fun Fact, life isn’t fair. I wish I was born into wealthy family, had a photographic memory, and dashing good looks. Unfortunately, none of those things happened.
When’s people start using the “isn’t fair” argument, I just stop paying attention. They obviously haven’t grown up yet.
 
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When I travel around the country...it is a good feeling to know I can run into a Walmart and know what to expect and where to find what I need.
I always thank the workers for helping get money back to Arkansas :)

I did not read the article was wondering how folks felt about an attack on Walmart
 
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Only issue I’ve got with them is that the richest company in the world (or close to it) has so many employees that are on government benefits. Seems a bit like corporate welfare to me.
 
I work there (second job) and can say for all they give, they take from the associates.

In 4yrs I’ve seen our holiday pay, sick time and lunches taken.

You make a decent living, in the DC that is, not sure about the stores.
 
Living wage numbers are crap. They say living wage for a single adult in Pulaski County is $10.72. I think someone could easily get by on less than $7 an hour. "Living" and living comfortable are not the same thing.

Also these are all based on a 40 hour work week. Nobody says u have to work 40 or can only work 40. 40 is just an American norm.
 
KarlPorkington said:
Only issue I’ve got with them is that the richest company in the world (or close to it) has so many employees that are on government benefits. Seems a bit like corporate welfare to me.
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Ok, so some Walmart employees are partially dependent government assistance.

What if they weren’t working? They would be totally dependent on givernment assistancs.

Walmart is saving tax payers money by employing them.


If these emplyees had other options, had the education or job skills to earn higher wages someplace else, they would quit Walmart and go to work someplace else.
 
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original hambone said:
Ok, so some Walmart employees are partially dependent government assistance.

What if they weren’t working? They would be entirely dependent on givernment assistancs.

Walmart is saving tax payers money by employing them.


If these emplyees had other options, had the education or job skills to earn higher wages someplace else, they would quit Walmart and go to work someplace else.
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This. And It’s Walmart, show up on time and do your job for a few years and you will get promotions. Just like McDonalds.

Nobody ever cries about the pay for people first entering the military. Why do they cry about the pay of the least skilled labor jobs out there?
 
eezycheez said:
This. And It’s Walmart, show up on time and do your job for a few years and you will get promotions. Just like McDonalds.

Nobody ever cries about the pay for people first entering the military. Why do they cry about the pay of the least skilled labor jobs out there?
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Oh trust me, I’m pissed about the pay for people first entering the military. It’s absolute BS.
 
original hambone said:
Ok, so some Walmart employees are partially dependent government assistance.

What if they weren’t working? They would be totally dependent on givernment assistancs.

Walmart is saving tax payers money by employing them.


If these emplyees had other options, had the education or job skills to earn higher wages someplace else, they would quit Walmart and go to work someplace else.
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Or the richest company in the world could pay their people a livable wage and provide benefits that keep them off the government teet.
 
KarlPorkington said:
Oh trust me, I’m pissed about the pay for people first entering the military. It’s absolute BS.
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No, it’s not. They get free food and shelter. Stick it out and gain rank and the pay gets good quickly. Come in married or with kids and you get a livable wage automatically.

BTW, the American idea of “livable wage” is quite skewed. Here is a list of shit you don’t need to live.

Booze
Tobacco
Drugs
Cable TV
Internet
Expensive smart phone
A TV
A computer
A nice house
A car, much less an expensive one
Brand name clothing
Eating out
 
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ohlordy said:
the UofA & the Razorbacks? I think good thoughts of them because they are in Arkansas and I think in one way or the other....they have had a huge impact on the Hogs sports programs. Of course Bud Walton is a given :)

Saw this and please don't discuss this because politics will get involved and kill my post

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michae...ns&utm_campaign=b-BernieSandersStopWalmartAct

Bernie Sanders Vows in Tweet to ‘Put an End’ to Walmart's ‘Outrageous Greed’ with ‘The Stop WALMART Act’
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Of Bernie’s MANY flaws, perhaps the one most glaring is the fact that he can’t do simple math. Second would be his incredible financial generosity... with the money you, me and others earned.
 
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And if Wal-Mart is so awful and “unfair” to it’s workers, here’s an idea... leave! I don’t think anyone is holding a gun to their head. Go work for a “fair” company that pays great and has incredible benefits! Apparently there are tons of them out there- should be easy. Two words: 1) Entitled 2) Victim
 
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eezycheez said:
No, it’s not. They get free food and shelter. Stick it out and gain rank and the pay gets good quickly. Come in married or with kids and you get a livable wage automatically.

BTW, the American idea of “livable wage” is quite skewed. Here is a list of shit you don’t need to live.

Booze
Tobacco
Drugs
Cable TV
Internet
Expensive smart phone
A TV
A computer
A nice house
A car, much less an expensive one
Brand name clothing
Eating out
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We can just agree to disagree.
 
RIB TIPS said:
And if Wal-Mart is so awful and “unfair” to it’s workers, here’s an idea... leave! I don’t think anyone is holding a gun to their head. Go work for a “fair” company that pays great and has incredible benefits! Apparently there are tons of them out there- should be easy. Two words: 1) Entitled 2) Victim
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Two more words. Ass hole.
 
RIB TIPS said:
That was witty!! Great example of what the weak minded say when they don’t like the accuracy of what they just heard. Bless your heart.
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Your argument was as weak minded as it gets. It’s akin to the “if you don’t like something about America leave!” That’s an argument for weak minded people who don’t have the gumption to try and change what they believe is an injustice. It also shows a serious disconnect with reality to assume poor people can afford to simply change jobs any time they want to.
 
KarlPorkington said:
Your argument was as weak minded as it gets. It’s akin to the “if you don’t like something about America leave!” That’s an argument for weak minded people who don’t have the gumption to try and change what they believe is an injustice. It also shows a serious disconnect with reality to assume poor people can afford to simply change jobs any time they want to.
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KarlPorkington said:
Your argument was as weak minded as it gets. It’s akin to the “if you don’t like something about America leave!” That’s an argument for weak minded people who don’t have the gumption to try and change what they believe is an injustice. It also shows a serious disconnect with reality to assume poor people can afford to simply change jobs any time they want to.
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First, how insecure do you have to be to tell everyone how much you make? Whether accurate or not, why??? OK-- let's unpack your reply... your analogy doesn't fit. As Americans-- legal ones that pays taxes-- you and I are equals. We both have the right and even the responsibility to do our best as equal citizens to right wrongs, fix problems and address injustices. But we don't get paid to be US citizens( Well-- in theory... I won't even get into welfare with you).

Working for Wal-Mart is not comparable to being a US citizen. When you work for Wal-Mart you are getting PAID to provide the company a service, a service that is designed to add value to the company. When your service does not provide more value than your pay, you are promoted to customer. You are getting paid by Wal-Mart to make things better for Wal-Mart, not better for you. As an employee you have no right to demand more. You can ask. I've found in life that for the vast majority of people their raise becomes effective just as soon as they do.

I worked for Wal-Mart when I was young and didn't like how I was treated or how I was paid. I decided that was not the career for me and moved on. I can tell you that most of the "poor" you refer to were poor out of decision. They spent every dollar on beer or putting a lift and new mudders on their truck rather than investing in their future. Go to Belize if you want to see what poor looks like. Some of the happiest, hardest working, most thankful people in the world-- and THEY are poor. Are there truly "poor" people working at WMT today? Yes. But it is the exception rather than the rule.

"If you aren't a liberal at 20 you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative at 40 you have no brain." -- Winston Churchill
 
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KarlPorkington said:
Your argument was as weak minded as it gets. It’s akin to the “if you don’t like something about America leave!” That’s an argument for weak minded people who don’t have the gumption to try and change what they believe is an injustice. It also shows a serious disconnect with reality to assume poor people can afford to simply change jobs any time they want to.
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KarlPorkington said:
Your argument was as weak minded as it gets. It’s akin to the “if you don’t like something about America leave!” That’s an argument for weak minded people who don’t have the gumption to try and change what they believe is an injustice. It also shows a serious disconnect with reality to assume poor people can afford to simply change jobs any time they want to.
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First, how insecure do you have to be to tell everyone how much you make? Whether accurate or not, why??? OK-- let's unpack your reply... your analogy doesn't fit. As Americans-- legal ones that pays taxes-- you and I are equals. We both have the right and even the responsibility to do our best as equal citizens to right wrongs, fix problems and address injustices. But we don't get paid to be US citizens( Well-- in theory... I won't even get into welfare with you).

Working for Wal-Mart is not comparable to being a US citizen. When you work for Wal-Mart you are getting PAID to provide the company a service, a service that is designed to add value to the company. When your service does not provide more value than your pay, you are promoted to customer. You are getting paid by Wal-Mart to make things better for Wal-Mart, not better for you. As an employee you have no right to demand more. You can ask. I've found in life that for the vast majority of people their raise becomes effective just as soon as they do.

I worked for Wal-Mart when I was young and didn't like how I was treated or how I was paid. I decided that was not the career for me and moved on. I can tell you that most of the "poor" you refer to were poor out of decision. They spent every dollar on beer or putting a lift and new mudders on their truck rather than investing in their future. Go to Belize if you want to see what poor looks like. Some of the happiest, hardest working, most thankful people in the world-- and THEY are poor. Are there truly "poor" people working at WMT today? Yes. But it is the exception rather than the rule.

"If you aren't a liberal at 20 you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative at 40 you have no brain." -- Winston Churchill
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Actually, at Walmart whether you’ve been there 2 1/2yrs or 30 you get paid the same. Good post though.
 
rdf4ta said:
A few things and some of these are repeated from common threads, so SIAP:

  1. Comparing CEO pay and employee pay is silly. For some companies, it works. For ones like Walmart that employs over 2 million folks, doesn’t have shoppers pay to shop at its stores AND aims to keep costs down, it doesn’t make sense. Due to the sheer scale of the business and the fact it’s retail, there’s going to be a ton of entry-level jobs.
  2. No one ever talks about the alternative jobs for people working at Walmart. It may be the only place, sure, but if there were others willing to pay more and hiring, those folks are able to pursue the higher paying roles. The fact the folks are employed is a good thing.
  3. Living wage arguments are difficult. I would imagine only a small % of lower skilled workers would actually use the $’s toward stabilizing their lifestyles. We’re all human, so if someone is making $12/hr and a “living wage” is $15/hr, those extra $3 probably get spent on discretionary goods. I’m going to sound like my grandpa, but how many people do we all know that are struggling to make ends meet but have a cellphone, decent car, cable, internet and etc.? A true living wage isn’t a threshold to meet basic expenses. A living wage should be one that allows folks to cover expenses, pay for benefits/retirement and have some $’s left over to either save or be entertained. In my opinion, not every role should pay that kind of money, and there needs to be roles that incentivize upward mobility either in the company or outside it. For ones that aren’t able to earn a living wage for whatever reason, those are the type of folks that need aid.
  4. Walmart is going to have its pros and cons like every for-profit company, but overall, it’s has a positive impact on society. It keeps consumable prices low, generates jobs (oftentimes more than it displaces) and donates a ton back to the community ($1B+) every year.
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My Mommy taught me to not talk/listen to COMMIES, SOCIALISTS & MARXISTS.
 
RIB TIPS said:
First, how insecure do you have to be to tell everyone how much you make? Whether accurate or not, why??? OK-- let's unpack your reply... your analogy doesn't fit. As Americans-- legal ones that pays taxes-- you and I are equals. We both have the right and even the responsibility to do our best as equal citizens to right wrongs, fix problems and address injustices. But we don't get paid to be US citizens( Well-- in theory... I won't even get into welfare with you).

Working for Wal-Mart is not comparable to being a US citizen. When you work for Wal-Mart you are getting PAID to provide the company a service, a service that is designed to add value to the company. When your service does not provide more value than your pay, you are promoted to customer. You are getting paid by Wal-Mart to make things better for Wal-Mart, not better for you. As an employee you have no right to demand more. You can ask. I've found in life that for the vast majority of people their raise becomes effective just as soon as they do.

I worked for Wal-Mart when I was young and didn't like how I was treated or how I was paid. I decided that was not the career for me and moved on. I can tell you that most of the "poor" you refer to were poor out of decision. They spent every dollar on beer or putting a lift and new mudders on their truck rather than investing in their future. Go to Belize if you want to see what poor looks like. Some of the happiest, hardest working, most thankful people in the world-- and THEY are poor. Are there truly "poor" people working at WMT today? Yes. But it is the exception rather than the rule.

"If you aren't a liberal at 20 you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative at 40 you have no brain." -- Winston Churchill
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I didn’t tell anyone how much I make. Stop being a fvck.
 
passmore said:
Actually, at Walmart whether you’ve been there 2 1/2yrs or 30 you get paid the same. Good post though.
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I was there for almost a year before I joined the USAF and they tried to offer me a low level manager position to keep me from leaving. All I did was be at work when I was scheduled to be at work and did my job.
 
eezycheez said:
passmore said:
Actually, at Walmart whether you’ve been there 2 1/2yrs or 30 you get paid the same. Good post though.
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I was there for almost a year before I joined the USAF and they tried to offer me a low level manager position to keep me from leaving. All I did was be at work when I was scheduled to be at work and did my job.
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Probably so in the store. I’m talking about the DC, that’s real work in there.
 
passmore said:
Probably so in the store. I’m talking about the DC, that’s real work in there.
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I don’t know much about distribution centers but if there is little or no potential for advancement, than leave. I’m sorry, but if one’s in a replaceable position and their usefulness hasn’t changed enough to warrant a raise, they will not get one.
 
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