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Saw something (not so) surprising while voting today

Method Ham

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I went over to Cross Church in Springdale to cast my votes because its close to my workplace. The lunch crowd had thinned out a bit, and the line moved quickly. I was secretly proud to vote in the democratic primary in what is most assuredly a GOP stronghold (Ted Cruz attended church there on Sunday).

But when I turned to walk out I noticed a woman dressed head-to-toe in Auburn gear. It was at that moment I realized those people are truly evil.

The Gus love at Cross Church is real, people! :D
 
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Method Ham said:
I went over to Cross Church in Springdale to cast my votes because its close to my workplace. The lunch crowd had thinned out a bit, and the line moved quickly. I was secretly proud to vote in the democratic primary in what is most assuredly a GOP stronghold (Ted Cruz attended church there on Sunday).

But when I turned to walk out I noticed a woman dressed head-to-toe in Auburn gear. It was at that moment I realized those people are truly evil.

The Gus love at Cross Church is real, people! :D
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I'm sorry, having trouble getting past the "secretly proud to vote in the democratic primary" part.
 
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Yeah this post was intended to say "I'm a democrat, liberal!"
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Actually would vote for Kasich if I thought he could get elected. The moderate voter - which I tend to be - is really feeling the squeeze this election.

Definitely not a Cruz fan, though. Nor am I a fan of Auburn University. Both find an abundance of support in Springdale!
 
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I definitely didn't see this thread making it past the hour mark.
 
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WMFC said:
This could be said for both the extreme liberals and extreme conservatives. If you think it is all Democrats, then you are just dumb. :rolleyes:
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What an incredibly dumb thing for you to say. First, I don't give a crap about democrats and republicans. The run of the mill versions of each are corrupt frauds who use our money to wield power and create personal wealth. They thrive off of people who simply pick one side or the other and defend it. Kind of like wrestlers and their fans. Truth is, they prosper by people taking sides and actually depend on it. They hide their dirty dealings by encouraging their "side" to blame the other. They also get a pass on their own dirty dealings in the process.

I am a conservative. You can use the word extreme if you wish, I don't give a damn how you label me. What I believe is what our founders believed. This includes:

Freedom is the thing that has made our country great. It is what has turned us from a glorified camping trip(the pilgrims) into the most prosperous and free country in history.

Every time we allow the government to gain control over a new aspect of our lives, we give up a freedom. Every new regulation, new agency, new law, and new entitlement program removes a freedom from us.

Whenever we give up a freedom, it is likely lost forever. And while many folks cheerlead b/c that lost freedom helps their agenda, sooner or later, somebody is going to be in power that will use that lost freedom against them too. History has shown that countless times. Freedoms are a lot easier to give up than they are to get back. Liberals don't seem to grasp that there will ever be a time when they have given up enough freedom that those in power won't need or want their input anymore. Very foolish.

The bigger the government, the more corruption lies within it. Our founding fathers understood that. Liberals do not.

Freedom means that anybody can be anything they have the talent and drive to be. Our country is made of rags to riches stories b/c of freedom.

Freedom is also the freedom to do little, amount to little, and accomplish little. Liberals tend to think that is unfair. I think sitting home on your lazy ass expecting others to provide housing, food, clothing, money, cell phones, cable, and internet, etc. is unfair. Freedom includes the freedom to fail and the freedom to not try.

Freedom has always meant kindness to the sick, the crippled, and the helpless. Our country has been on of the most generous and compassionate in history. Liberals believe that failure, laziness, and irresponsibility meet the criteria of being among the helpless. They are wrong.

I believe in equality. By that, I mean that everybody plays by the same rules and also faces the same obstacles. Liberals believe that certain races, sexual preferences, and political leanings require exemptions from equality in the name of fairness. They believe that only certain people should play by the rules while others should not. This kind of thinking creates victims where they don't exist and keeps discrimination alive.

I can do many more, but that is enough to make my point. If you think that makes me dumb, you are part of the problem.
 
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I believe in equality. By that, I mean that everybody plays by the same rules and also faces the same obstacles. Liberals believe that certain races, sexual preferences, and political leanings require exemptions from equality in the name of fairness. They believe that only certain people should play by the rules while others should not. This kind of thinking creates victims where they don't exist and keeps discrimination alive.
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Your theory is flawed.
 
Method Ham said:
Your theory is flawed.
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I grew up very poor. I was the adopted kid of the family drunk. I worked when I could as a kid and went straight to work out of HS. College was not an option at the time. I grew up in the 70's directly behind the civil rights movement of the 60's. I was the first generation expected to pay for the sins of past generations. I was w/o privilege, though as a young white male, I was told I was very privileged. Because of my perceived advantages, I was automatically pushed to the end of the line for the good blue collar jobs I was qualified for. I was at the bottom of the list for college grants and hardship scholarships. I was told not to even waste my time applying for government backed small business loans simply b/c of my race and sex.

Equality is a wonderful thing. That was exactly what the great MLK yearned for. His untimely death left a huge void that was horribly filled by race baiting opportunists like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. They have perpetually fed the notion that black people are unable to fend for themselves, unable to succeed w/o special favors from government, and incapable of making something successful of themselves w/o help and special favors from the ruling class. Meanwhile, they travel by private jets and limos, live in mansions, employ private security teams, and live like royalty, while the very people they pretend to champion live in government addicted poverty. What libs call equality is anything but equality. And it harms far, far more than it helps.

I don't have a theory, I had a front row seat to the civil rights movement of this country. I saw it from the position of the only class of American citizen required to make sacrifices for it. The politicians? They have always been immuned. The wealthy? They never had to change their lives a bit. The Hollywood elite? They love special privileges for those they see as beneath them, as long as they don't have to give up anything. They all feel really good sacrificing the rights of poor white people as long as they are exempt. They tend to see them as inbreds and rednecks who get what they deserve. Somebody has to pay, and the enlightened are enforcers, not payers.

I never questioned that the ship needed to be righted. I never sulked over the fact that there was some making up to do back in the day. What I didn't sign on for was it being a debt that could never be paid. The worst thing is, that perpetual debt has created multiple generations of government addicted people who live in poverty on what the ruling class gives them and truly believes that is all that is there for them. It is shameful and it doesn't help anybody.
 
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What an incredibly dumb thing for you to say. First, I don't give a crap about democrats and republicans. The run of the mill versions of each are corrupt frauds who use our money to wield power and create personal wealth. They thrive off of people who simply pick one side or the other and defend it. Kind of like wrestlers and their fans. Truth is, they prosper by people taking sides and actually depend on it. They hide their dirty dealings by encouraging their "side" to blame the other. They also get a pass on their own dirty dealings in the process.

I am a conservative. You can use the word extreme if you wish, I don't give a damn how you label me. What I believe is what our founders believed. This includes:

Freedom is the thing that has made our country great. It is what has turned us from a glorified camping trip(the pilgrims) into the most prosperous and free country in history.

Every time we allow the government to gain control over a new aspect of our lives, we give up a freedom. Every new regulation, new agency, new law, and new entitlement program removes a freedom from us.

Whenever we give up a freedom, it is likely lost forever. And while many folks cheerlead b/c that lost freedom helps their agenda, sooner or later, somebody is going to be in power that will use that lost freedom against them too. History has shown that countless times. Freedoms are a lot easier to give up than they are to get back. Liberals don't seem to grasp that there will ever be a time when they have given up enough freedom that those in power won't need or want their input anymore. Very foolish.

The bigger the government, the more corruption lies within it. Our founding fathers understood that. Liberals do not.

Freedom means that anybody can be anything they have the talent and drive to be. Our country is made of rags to riches stories b/c of freedom.

Freedom is also the freedom to do little, amount to little, and accomplish little. Liberals tend to think that is unfair. I think sitting home on your lazy ass expecting others to provide housing, food, clothing, money, cell phones, cable, and internet, etc. is unfair. Freedom includes the freedom to fail and the freedom to not try.

Freedom has always meant kindness to the sick, the crippled, and the helpless. Our country has been on of the most generous and compassionate in history. Liberals believe that failure, laziness, and irresponsibility meet the criteria of being among the helpless. They are wrong.

I believe in equality. By that, I mean that everybody plays by the same rules and also faces the same obstacles. Liberals believe that certain races, sexual preferences, and political leanings require exemptions from equality in the name of fairness. They believe that only certain people should play by the rules while others should not. This kind of thinking creates victims where they don't exist and keeps discrimination alive.

I can do many more, but that is enough to make my point. If you think that makes me dumb, you are part of the problem.
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Didn't read past the first sentence because your post I responded to was talking about Democrats. And now you say you don't care about dems or republicans. Nice try....
 
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See you used the word dem. ✌️
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You are right man. I did use democrat when I really meant liberal. I have to confess that I struggle finding a difference between the two. The democrat party has totally bought in to the liberal agenda and tends to stand united behind it. That is not hard to see as they are not trying to hide it. The real danger of the liberal run democratic party is that the liberal voters don't seem to mind corruption among it's elected officials as long as their agendas are being pushed.

The republican party OTOH, is still trying to ride the fence. Because of that, it is a war within it's own party. The leadership of the party is determined to maintain the corrupt balance that feeds both parties while it's base is fed up with the whole good old boy system.

Hence, I don't give a crap about the two parties. It's not my fault that nobody can tell the difference between a lib and a dem b/c they are exactly the same thing. Conservatives and republicans? Not so much.
 
We all have the right to pursue happiness. Nowhere did our founders ever say we are guaranteed happiness. IMO this is where many liberals fail to understand a democratic free society and why almost half of that party was willing to support a socialist. Equality does not mean equal results or equal happiness it means an equal opportunity to obtain results and happiness. It means that no man or woman should be denied the opporrtunituy to forge their own destiny. Does that mean all men are born into an equal environment? No, it does not. It means every man and woman has no ceiling to the level of achievement they can obtain and thay journey is up to them. Yes there will be obstacles for all with many more and much harder for some but the ceiling is still not capped for anyone.

The children of the rich can end up poor, blue collar, or rich. The children of the poor can end up rich, blue collar, or poor. That's the eauty of a free societ. Hard work and self education trumps established wealth the vast majority of the time. Yes generational wealth has a massive advantage but somone down the line started that lineage of wealth from next to nothing. Innovation and determination are as good as gold in our country no matter your financial, racial, or religious background. You hold the keys to your own future. Not the government. The government cannot and will not give you happiness or wealth. The government is not to blame if you don't have those things.

I am not rich by any means. But I am clearly above the line of the household I grew up in. We werent poor but we were right on the line. At the age of 26 I remember talking to my parents about making more that year on my own than the two of them had ever made combined for a year. And I was married and my wife was making decent money as well. So, what does that have to do with happiness? Not a damn thing. People say, sure is easy to say money doesn't buy happiness when you have it. Incorrect, it's clear at that point that what you thought would buy you happiness doesn't at all. My happiness is derived 100% from my faith and my family and nothing else. Well maybe some good BBQ, cold beer, and a Razorback win mixed in....... all shared with the family of course. Lol

Point being that equality is equal and fair only in the limitless potential in us all. That potential is stifled only by our ability and desire to overcome the obstacles in our way. Those obstacles are not equal, they are not fair, they are subjective at best and extremely varied. This is reality. We do not choose where or to whom we are born. We do not get to choose our own destiny. We do not get ti choose if we will succeed ir fsil in life. We only get to choose the level of desire, work, determination, and will that we will give forth in our own efforts to achieve our own happiness. In this we find equality.
 
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BOSSHOGFREE said:
We all have the right to pursue happiness. Nowhere did our founders ever say we are guaranteed happiness. IMO this is where many liberals fail to understand a democratic free society and why almost half of that party was willing to support a socialist. Equality does not mean equal results or equal happiness it means an equal opportunity to obtain results and happiness. It means that no man or woman should be denied the opporrtunituy to forge their own destiny. Does that mean all men are born into an equal environment? No, it does not. It means every man and woman has no ceiling to the level of achievement they can obtain and thay journey is up to them. Yes there will be obstacles for all with many more and much harder for some but the ceiling is still not capped for anyone.

The children of the rich can end up poor, blue collar, or rich. The children of the poor can end up rich, blue collar, or poor. That's the eauty of a free societ. Hard work and self education trumps established wealth the vast majority of the time. Yes generational wealth has a massive advantage but somone down the line started that lineage of wealth from next to nothing. Innovation and determination are as good as gold in our country no matter your financial, racial, or religious background. You hold the keys to your own future. Not the government. The government cannot and will not give you happiness or wealth. The government is not to blame if you don't have those things.

I am not rich by any means. But I am clearly above the line of the household I grew up in. We werent poor but we were right on the line. At the age of 26 I remember talking to my parents about making more that year on my own than the two of them had ever made combined for a year. And I was married and my wife was making decent money as well. So, what does that have to do with happiness? Not a damn thing. People say, sure is easy to say money doesn't buy happiness when you have it. Incorrect, it's clear at that point that what you thought would buy you happiness doesn't at all. My happiness is derived 100% from my faith and my family and nothing else. Well maybe some good BBQ, cold beer, and a Razorback win mixed in....... all shared with the family of course. Lol

Point being that equality is equal and fair only in the limitless potential in us all. That potential is stifled only by our ability and desire to overcome the obstacles in our way. Those obstacles are not equal, they are not fair, they are subjective at best and extremely varied. This is reality. We do not choose where or to whom we are born. We do not get to choose our own destiny. We do not get ti choose if we will succeed ir fsil in life. We only get to choose the level of desire, work, determination, and will that we will give forth in our own efforts to achieve our own happiness. In this we find equality.
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Beautifully said.
 
Yes, very eloquent. Not sure why all of that means healthcare shouldn't be available to everyone, just as one example of a liberal doctrine. Or why gay people shouldn't be able to marry. Or why institutional racism shouldn't be acknowledged, and ultimately solved.
 
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Yes, very eloquent. Not sure why all of that means healthcare shouldn't be available to everyone, just as one example of a liberal doctrine. Or why gay people shouldn't be able to marry. Or why institutional racism shouldn't be acknowledged, and ultimately solved.
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Every ER in America that I know of accepts and treats ALL who come in regardless of ability to pay. That did not start with obamacare. In 1997, I unexpectedly had a heart attack. I was young and healthy, or so I thought. I had no insurance. I needed surgery and I got it. We were financially strapped at the time and had no way to pay the enormous bills. We paid what we could and negotiated to make payments with those who would let us. The Christian based hospital(St Mary's in Rogers) looked at our financials and forgave our debt in full. The county based hospital(Washington Regional) was cold, unbending, and harassed us to death. And we were trying hard to pay as much as we could. The myth that people w/o means to pay have been left on the street to die is just that, a myth.

Last I looked, gay people are getting married. So, why are they still complaining? Clearly, that is not enough. They must be catered to, celebrated, elevated, and anybody who isn't willing to do that must be labeled as haters and punished. That's the thing with "rights" movements, once they take hold, nothing is ever enough. They get addicted to the role of victims who deserve special treatment or else. I have never paid much attention to gay people one way or the other, but now, I am being told that minding my own business isn't enough. I am being told that my rights count less and I better realize it or I will be dealt with. Since when did bedroom preferences become a social issue? And why? It appears there will be no point where enough is enough.

Institutional racism does exist. I have lived around it my whole adult life. Like I said earlier, as a poor white male, I have always been pushed to the back of the line. Minority status has been a door opener for 40 years. Employers jump through all kinds of hoops to get qualified minorities to apply for their openings. Government agencies unapologetically favor anybody of minority status above those w/o it. There is no such thing as simply selecting the best and most worthy candidate regardless of race or sex. Quotas must be met and MUST be based directly upon race, ethnicity, or sex. That is the definition of institutional racism.
 
Method Ham said:
Yes, very eloquent. Not sure why all of that means healthcare shouldn't be available to everyone, just as one example of a liberal doctrine. Or why gay people shouldn't be able to marry. Or why institutional racism shouldn't be acknowledged, and ultimately solved.
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Institutional racism died with Jim crow laws. Now, are there powerful people who make terrible decisions? Absolutely. But under the law we are all equal on a racial basis and have been for quite some time now. If you want to claim cultural racism exists I won't argue that a bit. Yes, there are dumb laws on the books that need to be changed also the family unit in our country must be restored and a focus on a lawful and productive childhood need to be reinstated. Our children are taught to be disrespectful, arrogant, and entitled. This is not a recipe for avoiding legal troubles.

I believe we can have basic universal health care without infringement upon civil liberties. We cannot have unversal health care given the current status in the demanding of elective procedures (ex:killing babies, sex changes, superficial cosmetic surgeries etc) that doesn't infringe upon civil liberties. It is impossible. The system needs to be destroyed and rebuilt including the pharmaceutical and insurance stranglehold on competition. We should open our boarders to international health care competition if we truly believe in free trade. But we should never allow the barbaric killing of innocent babies simply because Sally sue screwed up. Again we are not free from obstacles we are free to choose our own way. If you make bad decisions and get pregnant it is not the responsibility of others to financially aide you in killing your baby. Basic and catastrophic health care ABSOLUTELY, elective procedures absolutely NOT.

I don't care what takes place behind somone closed doors. The only reason marriage was assumed by the government from religion was to tax it and put a fee on the process. If we believe in freedom we shouldn't stand in their way. However if it violates the beliefs of an individual to participate in that action they should have the freedom to not be involved.

Now, as a Christian I have seperate views from governmental views. But the same freedoms that should protect me to worship and follow as I believe should apply to others to live out their lives in a reasonably civil way. We as Christians should help everyone in need. We should help anyone get proper health care. We should denounce racisim wherever it is shown. We should embrace all of God's children even the ones with what we consider sinful lifestyles. Why? Because Jesus told us to and more importantly he lived that out as an example.
 
ANYONE and I mean anyone that votes for republicrats or democans (Trump or Sanders-- same thing, egomaniacal socialist tyrants) has committed a direct assault on my person, prosperity, and property.

Sic semper tyranus!
 
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There's absolutely no lifestyle that a liberal politician won't embrace as long as the gang pushing it has enough voters. If our lady of Benghazi gets elected, you'll hear her talk about how we're disenfranchising illegal aliens by NOT letting them vote, give her a democratic house and senate and illegals will be determining the next president of this country. Hell, if they had a big enough gang, liberals would embrace incest. But what the hell, it's just an alternative lifestyle right? I guess those that don't feel that way must be incestophobes. Really a simple way to describe conservatives and liberals. Equal opportunity equals conservative. Equal outcome equals liberal. It's really that simple. Kinda like the women who go on and on about not wanting the government in their bedrooms or their vaginas, UNTIL they act irresponsible and get pregnant, then they can't wait to get the government (other taxpayers) involved to pay for their abortion. I'm not talking about those who get pregnant through rape or incest, which I bet is a very small percentage. I bet when going in for an abortion the woman doesn't have to show any proof that she was raped, or forced into incest or even that she filled out a police report. Wouldn't do for the woman to be embarrased when it's easier to just eliminate the unborn child.
 
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