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Careful....some Muslims will cut your head off for that. Just saying it because it is true and I'd like you to be safe and keep posting.Originally posted by eek-a-hog:
Only religion I believe in.
Preach on brotherOriginally posted by BOSSHOGFREE:
If religion is not a topic of this board back handed slaps on religion shouldn't be either. Yet here this thread is.
I personally think the open attack of Christianity is a good thing. It ignites a discussion of truth and faith that Christians have been scared of starting for 2000 years. I've been a horrible example over the years but everyone has salvation if they only ask for it even myself. I'm trying harder everyday to truly walk a better path as a Christian man, husband, and father. If everyone aspired to do just that our nation and our world would be a much better place. Christians oppose sin but do not call for brutal physical punishments for those who commit them because they thems elves are sinners and view all sin equally. Our media and even many self proclaimed Christians highly distort this equation with un-Christ like behavor. However the question of what Christ like behavior looks like is an excellent topic for discussion as well.
I have a peace of mind now and a confidence in all things that I've never owned before. I grew up in Christianity, baptized at 12, married a Christian woman Yadda yadda yadda.... Just recently (as a grown man) I finally realized all of that means nothing without simply accepting his love and choosing be a better example of that love drawing others to him.
I'm not perfect. Neither is anyone else. I don't say that to feel better about myself. I say it because I know someone here has a void in their life that they are too scared or too ashamed to acknowledge. It's OK. He has already paid your debt and only cares about the love you will share going forward.
Thanks for starting another religion thread. Thanks to anyone who discusses Christianity even those who argue against it. If he weren't real or the one true source of love and strength would we still be talking about him 2000 years later? Based on life needed elements and conditions the probability of life happening on its own on this planet is the Scientific probability of ZERO multiplied by 10 to the 278th power. So start at the scientific probability of zero and add trillions of zeros behind that. With a 4 foot deep field of quarters that covers the entire state of Texas drop a pencil out of an air plane and that pencil lands standing upright on top of its eraser wile positioned on the only quarter with its face up. Or take the novel Moby dick. Cut every individual letter out of the book. Shake it in a trash bag. Then from 30,000 feet spill the letters and if they all fall perfectly in place (wind and other variables added in) to rewrite the complete book in a singular string of words you have the probability of life.
Science tells us that not only should life not exist but by its own deffiniton of improbability.... it's impossible for us to be here
This post was edited on 3/30 7:42 AM by BOSSHOGFREE
Props for your restraint, dude. Seriously.Originally posted by razorback9455:
I opened this thread thinking it would be fun words to express Razorback sentiment.
I guessed wrong.
The hypocrisy of the moderators is underwhelmingly predictable.Originally posted by RazorbackDundee:
It doesn't bother me either way , it really doesn't. But damn at least come out and say 'this is a christian board and we will allow christian beliefs only' or just ban all religious topics and stick to it.
Its been here for three days.Originally posted by Woodlands_Hog:
They are not here or this thread would be gone. Goodness
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Originally posted by Woodlands_Hog:
Well i'll get in BTGB.
Peace and good will to all.
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Whilst I most certainly was not born and raised in a "third world Country" and it was "tolerant" of Christianity it also was probably the opposite to here .America = 70% christian 20%others 10% neutral , Australia = 60% neutral 30% Christian 10% other.Originally posted by brianflops:
I feel really bad for all of the people in 3rd world countries who are going to hell because they'll never have a chance to learn what Christianity is or read a bible. Guess they should've been born in a country tolerant of Christianity or lived somewhere missionaries could reach them to be able to convert them.
I believe there is a God.Originally posted by Woodlands_Hog:
Brianflops, if you feel bad enough then there is always the option of you going to these third-world countries and sharing.
If you are using that as example of why there is no God, then that's a very weak argument.
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The Great Commission was/is the calling of Christians to go out and teach and win all nations. This is why Christianity sends missionaries throughout the world. As we speak, there are missionaries living with their families in places of poverty, violence, disease, hunger, and war. They do this not for personal rewards, as those rewards are sparce in that line of work, but b/c Jesus called us to do just that. For every missionary, there are lots of everyday folks that support them with donations, prayers, and moral support.Originally posted by brianflops:
I believe there is a God.Originally posted by Woodlands_Hog:
Brianflops, if you feel bad enough then there is always the option of you going to these third-world countries and sharing.
If you are using that as example of why there is no God, then that's a very weak argument.
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Just putting it out there that if the only way to get to heaven is to be Christian, there's millions and millions of people throughout the world that will never have a chance.
So how are we supposed to get into North Korea? Or Iran? How are the tribal people living in the Amazon who don't have interactions or the ability to communicate with the outside world supposed to know about Christianity?Originally posted by rzrbk7777:
The Great Commission was/is the calling of Christians to go out and teach and win all nations. This is why Christianity sends missionaries throughout the world. As we speak, there are missionaries living with their families in places of poverty, violence, disease, hunger, and war. They do this not for personal rewards, as those rewards are sparce in that line of work, but b/c Jesus called us to do just that. For every missionary, there are lots of everyday folks that support them with donations, prayers, and moral support.Originally posted by brianflops:
I believe there is a God.Originally posted by Woodlands_Hog:
Brianflops, if you feel bad enough then there is always the option of you going to these third-world countries and sharing.
If you are using that as example of why there is no God, then that's a very weak argument.
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Just putting it out there that if the only way to get to heaven is to be Christian, there's millions and millions of people throughout the world that will never have a chance.
If there are people left out w/o hearing the truth, it is b/c of the failure of man to obey God's instruction. There are surely enough folks on this planet to reach every human, there is just a lack of those who try. That's the thing about God, if you don't want to care, if you don't want to believe, if you don't want to follow His laws, He will let you do just that. If folks leave this world w/o ever hearing about Jesus, that is on the folks who have heard but chose not to care.
There are missionaries in China, the Sudan, parts of the old Soviet Union, muslim countries, all over Africa, and lots of other places nobody would ever go on vacation. Many of these missionaries live at great risk in order to do God's work. In many places, they have church services in hidden places. Imagine if everybody just in America supported mission work how many more folks could be reached. God gave us the knowledge and the means to see that nobody fails to hear His word, it is humans who have chose to not believe and it is humans who have closed Him out of places like Iran and North Korea. God allows free will, and a lot of evil people see it as permission to be evil.Originally posted by brianflops:
So how are we supposed to get into North Korea? Or Iran? How are the tribal people living in the Amazon who don't have interactions or the ability to communicate with the outside world?Originally posted by rzrbk7777:
The Great Commission was/is the calling of Christians to go out and teach and win all nations. This is why Christianity sends missionaries throughout the world. As we speak, there are missionaries living with their families in places of poverty, violence, disease, hunger, and war. They do this not for personal rewards, as those rewards are sparce in that line of work, but b/c Jesus called us to do just that. For every missionary, there are lots of everyday folks that support them with donations, prayers, and moral support.Originally posted by brianflops:
I believe there is a God.Originally posted by Woodlands_Hog:
Brianflops, if you feel bad enough then there is always the option of you going to these third-world countries and sharing.
If you are using that as example of why there is no God, then that's a very weak argument.
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Just putting it out there that if the only way to get to heaven is to be Christian, there's millions and millions of people throughout the world that will never have a chance.
If there are people left out w/o hearing the truth, it is b/c of the failure of man to obey God's instruction. There are surely enough folks on this planet to reach every human, there is just a lack of those who try. That's the thing about God, if you don't want to care, if you don't want to believe, if you don't want to follow His laws, He will let you do just that. If folks leave this world w/o ever hearing about Jesus, that is on the folks who have heard but chose not to care.
Of course there are going to be people who are "left out w/o hearing the truth". It would be absolutely impossible for Christians to reach every human on the planet, and one would be very naïve to even think that possible. So, again, are these people who have never been reached and know nothing about Christianity, or even the fact that it exists, going to hell?
You're not answering my question. If a person is unable to know Christianity, or that it even exists, will they go to hell? It sounds like you're saying yes they will, because Christians were unable to reach them. How is that those people's fault? Why should they be punished for, by your own words, Christians not being able to reach them?Originally posted by rzrbk7777:
There are missionaries in China, the Sudan, parts of the old Soviet Union, muslim countries, all over Africa, and lots of other places nobody would ever go on vacation. Many of these missionaries live at great risk in order to do God's work. In many places, they have church services in hidden places. Imagine if everybody just in America supported mission work how many more folks could be reached. God gave us the knowledge and the means to see that nobody fails to hear His word, it is humans who have chose to not believe and it is humans who have closed Him out of places like Iran and North Korea. God allows free will, and a lot of evil people see it as permission to be evil.Originally posted by brianflops:
So how are we supposed to get into North Korea? Or Iran? How are the tribal people living in the Amazon who don't have interactions or the ability to communicate with the outside world?Originally posted by rzrbk7777:
The Great Commission was/is the calling of Christians to go out and teach and win all nations. This is why Christianity sends missionaries throughout the world. As we speak, there are missionaries living with their families in places of poverty, violence, disease, hunger, and war. They do this not for personal rewards, as those rewards are sparce in that line of work, but b/c Jesus called us to do just that. For every missionary, there are lots of everyday folks that support them with donations, prayers, and moral support.Originally posted by brianflops:
I believe there is a God.Originally posted by Woodlands_Hog:
Brianflops, if you feel bad enough then there is always the option of you going to these third-world countries and sharing.
If you are using that as example of why there is no God, then that's a very weak argument.
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Just putting it out there that if the only way to get to heaven is to be Christian, there's millions and millions of people throughout the world that will never have a chance.
If there are people left out w/o hearing the truth, it is b/c of the failure of man to obey God's instruction. There are surely enough folks on this planet to reach every human, there is just a lack of those who try. That's the thing about God, if you don't want to care, if you don't want to believe, if you don't want to follow His laws, He will let you do just that. If folks leave this world w/o ever hearing about Jesus, that is on the folks who have heard but chose not to care.
Of course there are going to be people who are "left out w/o hearing the truth". It would be absolutely impossible for Christians to reach every human on the planet, and one would be very naïve to even think that possible. So, again, are these people who have never been reached and know nothing about Christianity, or even the fact that it exists, going to hell?
God gave the earth to humans along with instructions on how to use it. It is up to us to do what He instructed. If some people get left out b/c nobody told them the truth, it is on us.
I did answer your question, and the answer is yes. I am far from a Biblical scholar, but I do know that we carry not only our sins, but the sins of our fathers. By our fathers, it is talking about the generations before us that allowed folks to have power to remove God from places like Iran and North Korea. It is man who has created false gods, it is man who has demanded that no god be worshipped, and it is man who has chosen a path away from the one true God.Originally posted by brianflops:
You're not answering my question. If a person is unable to know Christianity, or that it even exists, will they go to hell? It sounds like you're saying yes they will, because Christians were unable to reach them. How is that those people's fault? Why should they be punished for, by your own words, Christians not being able to reach them?Originally posted by rzrbk7777:
There are missionaries in China, the Sudan, parts of the old Soviet Union, muslim countries, all over Africa, and lots of other places nobody would ever go on vacation. Many of these missionaries live at great risk in order to do God's work. In many places, they have church services in hidden places. Imagine if everybody just in America supported mission work how many more folks could be reached. God gave us the knowledge and the means to see that nobody fails to hear His word, it is humans who have chose to not believe and it is humans who have closed Him out of places like Iran and North Korea. God allows free will, and a lot of evil people see it as permission to be evil.Originally posted by brianflops:
So how are we supposed to get into North Korea? Or Iran? How are the tribal people living in the Amazon who don't have interactions or the ability to communicate with the outside world?Originally posted by rzrbk7777:
The Great Commission was/is the calling of Christians to go out and teach and win all nations. This is why Christianity sends missionaries throughout the world. As we speak, there are missionaries living with their families in places of poverty, violence, disease, hunger, and war. They do this not for personal rewards, as those rewards are sparce in that line of work, but b/c Jesus called us to do just that. For every missionary, there are lots of everyday folks that support them with donations, prayers, and moral support.Originally posted by brianflops:
I believe there is a God.Originally posted by Woodlands_Hog:
Brianflops, if you feel bad enough then there is always the option of you going to these third-world countries and sharing.
If you are using that as example of why there is no God, then that's a very weak argument.
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Just putting it out there that if the only way to get to heaven is to be Christian, there's millions and millions of people throughout the world that will never have a chance.
If there are people left out w/o hearing the truth, it is b/c of the failure of man to obey God's instruction. There are surely enough folks on this planet to reach every human, there is just a lack of those who try. That's the thing about God, if you don't want to care, if you don't want to believe, if you don't want to follow His laws, He will let you do just that. If folks leave this world w/o ever hearing about Jesus, that is on the folks who have heard but chose not to care.
Of course there are going to be people who are "left out w/o hearing the truth". It would be absolutely impossible for Christians to reach every human on the planet, and one would be very naïve to even think that possible. So, again, are these people who have never been reached and know nothing about Christianity, or even the fact that it exists, going to hell?
God gave the earth to humans along with instructions on how to use it. It is up to us to do what He instructed. If some people get left out b/c nobody told them the truth, it is on us.
I understand there are missionaries all over the world. That doesn't change the fact that they will not reach every single human on the planet. Therefore every single person on the planet would not have the choice, opportunity, or freedom to know about Christianity. These people will go to hell because some people are "evil"?
My point exactly Woodsland.Originally posted by Woodlands_Hog:
Dundee, if it were works based you would be in great shape. Well except for the part about your righteousness being as a filthy rag.
Thank God for Grace. Try it some time. Dump the religious rhetoric and give grace a chance.
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