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Its Time We See The First

jrh010

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Female head coach at a Division 1 football program. I just don't understand how we haven't yet. There is nothing written that says a woman is not capable of understanding the game of football at the same depth a man can. I know plenty of women that can talk X's and O's for days and are natural born leaders, I think it would be cool to see happen over the next decade and wouldnt be upset if Arkansas went that direction if something were to ever happen to Bret.
 
Female head coach at a Division 1 football program. I just don't understand how we haven't yet. There is nothing written that says a woman is not capable of understanding the game of football at the same depth a man can. I know plenty of women that can talk X's and O's for days and are natural born leaders, I think it would be cool to see happen over the next decade.
You really don't understand? Let's see more women get jobs as assistant coaches before we just jump right into them being head coaches.
 
You really don't understand? Let's see more women get jobs as assistant coaches before we just jump right into them being head coaches.
You mean like the assistant coach for the Buffalo Bills NFL team, Kathryn Smith?
 
Female head coach at a Division 1 football program. I just don't understand how we haven't yet. There is nothing written that says a woman is not capable of understanding the game of football at the same depth a man can. I know plenty of women that can talk X's and O's for days and are natural born leaders, I think it would be cool to see happen over the next decade and wouldn't be upset if Arkansas went that direction if something were to ever happen to Bret.
It's not time for that, and I in no way mean that for any other reason that there isn't any women who have come up fully through the process yet of graduate assistant, quality control coach, small school assistant, large school assistant, small school coordinator to large school coordinator and then finally small school or large school head coach. That's about a 15- to 20-year process for many head coaches. The other avenue is to have a completely dominant high school program leading to a coordinator job, and that hasn't been done, either. I know of one woman currently head coaching a high school team (in Florida), and the first woman was hired as an NFL assistant coach for this coming season, but that's an entry level quality control special teams coach for the Bills. QC of special teams, not THE special teams coordinator. It's a step in the right direction, but we're way away from her becoming a head coach, even if she ever does. It'll happen one day, but there's a process. You don't want to put someone in that position and have them fail miserably because they were shortcutted through the process to make history. I think well before we see a female head coach, we'll see a female NFL general manager.
 
Female head coach at a Division 1 football program. I just don't understand how we haven't yet. There is nothing written that says a woman is not capable of understanding the game of football at the same depth a man can. I know plenty of women that can talk X's and O's for days and are natural born leaders, I think it would be cool to see happen over the next decade and wouldnt be upset if Arkansas went that direction if something were to ever happen to Bret.

Kind of crazy to think we will have a female president before ever seeing a female HC in D1 football.
 
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Kind of crazy to think we will have a female president before ever seeing a female HC in D1 football.
Kind of my logic.... "Oh a Woman can run a country better than a man but god forbid we let one coach a football team."
 
Female head coach at a Division 1 football program. I just don't understand how we haven't yet. There is nothing written that says a woman is not capable of understanding the game of football at the same depth a man can. I know plenty of women that can talk X's and O's for days and are natural born leaders, I think it would be cool to see happen over the next decade and wouldnt be upset if Arkansas went that direction if something were to ever happen to Bret.
Why do have to HAVE this? Can't we just let a product continue to be what it is before we change it JUST to be changing it? Whether good or bad, why the need to go around "makng changes" just so you feel like we've done something. I love the Ms America pagent the way it is. I dont need to see a dude in a bikini just for sh*ts and giggles. Let's let the best person for the job get the job and stop forcing everybody to NEED something that's not NEEDED. It's a product, not a political movement here. Btw, In no way am I saying that women aren't capable, THEY ARE. They just don't have to be forced into something just so people can say they did it. Just imo. Carry on.
 
You mean like the assistant coach for the Buffalo Bills NFL team, Kathryn Smith?
Did I say there weren't any? I said lets see MORE. So you name one. What are there, 2 or 3 total in the NFL? I know Arizona has or had one. So because we have a few assistants we need it is time to see one be a head coach? No chance right now.
 
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Kind of my logic.... "Oh a Woman can run a country better than a man but god forbid we let one coach a football team."
It has nothing to do with that, and it is a little baffling that you think those two are related. Last time I checked, there is far more training and chances to gain experience at an early age in politics than football. Can a woman do the job? Sure, but it is no different than any other job. They need to start at the bottom like 90% of the coaches today did, and work their way up. Considering there are only a few women in coaching positions in the NFL, there is no way that a woman is qualified enough to be a head coach right now in college or NFL. So much more goes into it than just Xs and Os. How to talk to the players in the locker room. What drills to run in practice. How to recruit if it is in college. Being able to talk football with the boys doesn't mean she is able to run a team. She needs to learn how to run a team/organization before she is put in a position. If Hillary is elected president, she isn't just getting voted in because she is a female and it is time for a change. She has 30+ years of training for this, plus spent some time in the White House with her husband in the same position she may be elected to.
 
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Did I say there weren't any? I said lets see MORE. So you name one. What are there, 2 or 3 total in the NFL? I know Arizona has or had one. So because we have a few assistants we need it is time to see one be a head coach? No chance right now.
Alright buddy... didn't have to get all sexist.... thats kind of uncalled for. All i am saying is - in the event a Woman rightfully works her way up the coaching ladder, it would be nice to see one make it as a head coach. As Trey mentioned though, theres no need to rush things just because. It will have to be done through work, not political agendas.
 
I mean, if you think about it women are completely running GOT now.

Dany, Sansa and Arya, the lady who's running Dorne now, the head of the Tulleys, Cersi Lannister, etc. Even that 10-year old girl runs a house.
Lady Mormont... shes the baddest chick in the show. If she had 3 dragons the series would have only been about 4 seasons.

If she can lead a house, atleast 1 woman in this world could lead a football team of 18-22 year olds.
 
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Alright buddy... didn't have to get all sexist.... thats kind of uncalled for. All i am saying is - in the event a Woman rightfully works her way up the coaching ladder, it would be nice to see one make it as a head coach. As Trey mentioned though, theres no need to rush things just because. It will have to be done through work, not political agendas.
I wasn't being sexist. The title of your thread said it is time to see it. That will be an accurate statement 20 years from now, maybe.
 
Why do have to HAVE this? Can't we just let a product continue to be what it is before we change it JUST to be changing it? Whether good or bad, why the need to go around "makng changes" just so you feel like we've done something. I love the Ms America pagent the way it is. I dont need to see a dude in a bikini just for sh*ts and giggles. Let's let the best person for the job get the job and stop forcing everybody to NEED something that's not NEEDED. It's a product, not a political movement here. Btw, In no way am I saying that women aren't capable, THEY ARE. They just don't have to be forced into something just so people can say they did it. Just imo. Carry on.
There are far more pressing matters regarding race and head coaching jobs than whether or not a woman who is 15 years away from being qualified should be a head coach. There are plenty of black coaches qualified to be a college head coach, yet there are only 11. There are plenty of Hispanic coaches qualified to be a MBL manager, yet there are none.
 
I'd totally get behind a hot blonde with 3 dragons leading the Razorbacks. You already know she's a badass recruiter.
 
I'd totally get behind a hot blonde with 3 dragons leading the Razorbacks. You already know she's a badass recruiter.

Me too man, love getting behind hot blondes.
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Female head coach at a Division 1 football program. I just don't understand how we haven't yet. There is nothing written that says a woman is not capable of understanding the game of football at the same depth a man can. I know plenty of women that can talk X's and O's for days and are natural born leaders, I think it would be cool to see happen over the next decade and wouldnt be upset if Arkansas went that direction if something were to ever happen to Bret.

No disrespect intended, but you simply don't have any idea what you're talking about. It has little to do with being a man or a woman and everything to do with actual experience and coming up through the ranks. You don't just walk out and become a Division 1 head football coach because you watch football games on TV with your husband. If you have no coaching experience (at least at the jr. high level) and have never played at all (again, at least at the jr. high level) then you have no idea what's going on just by watching on TV or looking up stats on your lap top computer. And it's not just about experience either. You have to be successful, extremely successful. That means you have to go out and actually beat a lot of other good, and some great, coaches who are dreaming of becoming D-1 coordinators and eventually HCs themselves. Like Trey said, you're talking about at least a 15 to 20 year process, because there aren't many athletic directors that are dumb enough to hire someone with less experience, and no actual reputation for winning everywhere they've been. You also have to realize that an institution like Arkansas only hires HCs who have been successful at other D-1 colleges, like Bret Bielema, JLS (yes, he had some success at Michigan St.), Bobby Petrino, Houston Nutt, Ken Hatfield, and Lou Holtz. Now when you find the lady who has that kind of experience and consistent success everywhere she's been and has a better resume than all the other applicants who would love to be the HC at Arkansas go ahead and hire her. It wouldn't bother me at all as long as she wins and knows that she would be fired if she is not successful just the same as any male HC. But for God's sake don't ever hire someone just because you want to be the first to hire a woman. That not only is unfair to all the other much more highly qualified prospects, but it's just plain stupid.
 
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No disrespect intended, but you simply don't have any idea what you're talking about. It has little to do with being a man or a woman and everything to do with actual experience and coming up through the ranks. You don't just walk out and become a Division 1 head football coach because you watch football games on TV with your husband. If you have no coaching experience (at least at the jr. high level) and have never played at all (again, at least at the jr. high level) then you have no idea what's going on just by watching on TV or looking up stats on your lap top computer. And it's not just about experience either. You have to be successful, extremely successful. That means you have to go out and actually beat a lot of other good, and some great, coaches who are dreaming of becoming D-1 coordinators and eventually HCs themselves. Like Trey said, you're talking about at least a 15 to 20 year process, because there aren't many athletic directors that are dumb enough to hire someone with less experience, and no actual reputation for winning everywhere they've been. You also have to realize that an institution like Arkansas only hires HCs who have been successful at other D-1 colleges, like Bret Bielema, JLS (yes, he had some success at Michigan St.), Bobby Petrino, Houston Nutt, Ken Hatfield, and Lou Holtz. Now when you find the lady who has that kind of experience and consistent success everywhere she's been and has a better resume than all the other applicants who would love to be the HC at Arkansas go ahead and hire her. It wouldn't bother me at all as long as she wins and knows that she would be fired if she is not successful just the same as any male HC. But for God's sake don't ever hire someone just because you want to be the first to hire a woman. That not only is unfair to all the other much more highly qualified prospects, but it's just plain stupid.
I feel you are still looking at this unfairly, but I will not feed in to your trolling just because you want to get a rise out of me. Its the 21st century man, times are changing and women deserve an equal opportunity of employment. Theres is an extremely tough barrier to entry for even these quality assurance and assistant rolls, thats why they are unable to work their way up the ladder as you have mentioned they should. Can't do it the right way if you cant get started.
 
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If you wanna be a sexist, go right ahead, but I will not feed in to your trolling just because you want to get a rise out of me. Its the 21st century man, times are changing and women deserve an equal opportunity of employment.
Calling him sexist is quite out of line jrh. Disagree with him, point out where he's wrong, even call him misinformed or ignorant, but sexist? -C'mon. I firmly agree with him. Am I sexist? The idea of making a woman a head coach on the college level at this time when there's not any women who are qualified for the position is absurd. And in my opinion, you are trolling because I can't fathom anyone thinking that's a realistic possibility in 2016 when there isn't a qualified candidate. Maybe in a decade it happens, but that woman simply isn't out there right now, and if she is she doesn't have the resume or experience yet. I know a lot about college football. That in no way makes me qualified to be a college head coach. Nowhere did he state that a woman isn't capable of doing the job with the right experience.
 
Let's start with hiring some female GAs and quality control coaches then repost this in about 10 years.
Maybe addressing the barriers to entry over the past 10+ years is more appropriate. I think we are in a time where we will see that change, and you are correct, I think 10 years down the road would be more plausible than today. My main concern is the entry at the bottom of the totem poll to even get them there.
 
It will be harder for the women to get started because they don't play. Every coach, GA, played the game at one time at some level without that way in there is no natural path. I doubt I see one in my lifetime at D1 or higher. But, what do I know. smilehog
 
My main concern is the entry at the bottom of the totem poll to even get them there.

What are you doing to correct that? Talking about it on a message board doesn't move the needle.

Every coach, GA, played the game at one time at some level without that way in there is no natural path.

I think Mike Leach is the one exception to that rule about playing. Even then, he still had to work his way through the ranks to become a major head coach without any playing experience.
 
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I feel you are still looking at this unfairly, but I will not feed in to your trolling just because you want to get a rise out of me. Its the 21st century man, times are changing and women deserve an equal opportunity of employment. Theres is an extremely tough barrier to entry for even these quality assurance and assistant rolls, thats why they are unable to work their way up the ladder as you have mentioned they should. Can't do it the right way if you cant get started.

I'm not being unfair and I'm not trying to get a rise out of you. Why would I do that? I love women and have the greatest respect for them. I have 3 sisters that I love dearly and I'll be the first to tell you that women are smarter then men. I'm simply pointing out that to become a head football coach at a highly competitive level without ever having played the game at a highly competitive level, then you can't fully understand the degree of difficulty of some of the things you'll be asking your players to do. There's a lot more to Xs and Os than just what you see on paper. At no point in my post did I say that women should be denied the same opportunity that men have to become a head coach. But if you truly want to be fair, then women need to go through the same process that men go through to become a D-1 HC and earn (or rather win) that position. Unfortunately, women will always be at the disadvantage of not having played the game.
 
Kind of my logic.... "Oh a Woman can run a country better than a man but god forbid we let one coach a football team."
OP are you saying that AD's need to hire a woman as a HC just to hire a woman? Does the responsibility of hiring the best possible person carry any weight? There are literally thousands and thousands of male football coaches in this country. Many thousands. It is a long process for nearly all. There are very few women at all coaching football. If they stay in the profession and have success and work up the ladder then maybe there would be an opportunity.
Having a female head BB coach of a top men's program has not happened yet, even though there are thousand's of female BB coaches. I think that Pat Summit could have been successful as a men's coach, but no way to be as successful as she was in the women's game unless she was coaching at a Kentucky and then there is no way to win 8 titles.
There is no way for the foreseeable future that a woman can be a Div 1 head FB coach with a merit based hire. There just are not enough women fb coaches in the pipeline.
 
I'm all for it, I just need you to name me one single D-1 female assistant that is being held back because of gender. Please, tell me about the female D-1 coordinator that is ready to run a program. What about the LB, Secondary, TE, WR, O-line, or any other position coach that was passed over for a promotion because of gender. There is plenty of inequality in sports without you trying to create more.
 
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