OT OJ: Made in America
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In think we are having two different arguments.
His acquittal under THIS jury was highly racial, but also had to do with wealth and his ability to maximize his defense. Yes, Race was part of the acquittal with THIS Jury.
There was no problem convicting black people of crimes in LA. There was a problem convicting THIS black guy. What made him different? If OJ was not rich, he would have never gotten a defense this effective NOR a venue and Jury pool this advantageous. Being rich changed everything down the line. If he was not rich, the venue is not the same and he does not have a "dream team." If the venue is different, he has a less advantageous venue. Less advantageous venue means less advantageous Jury pool. Less funded defense means that the jury selection is much quicker and less selective - advantage prosecution. With a less advantageous Jury and defense, the prosecution is suddenly more advantaged in funding and manpower and simply rolls the defense on the physical and circumstantial evidence. In short, if OJ was not rich, being black does not matter at all because the total legal landscape that allowed his acquittal disappears.
"What reason did they have to believe that a cop with history of racist feelings and views did not frame OJ"......come on man. What reason....oh I don't know....a ton of DNA evidence? I get the injustice and why they likely did what they did, but there's still no excuse other than they wanted to make a point with no regard to the facts. To try to make an excuse for the jurors with regards to any evidence leading to a framing is somewhat laughable. Regardless of the glove, virtually all of the DNA evidence pointed to OJ. This case should have never been about race. The dude's DNA was everywhere....mixed with the DNA of both victims. I was young when this occurred but the whole deal is truly crazy. CRA-ZY.
If you believe the LAPD is capable of planting evidence, supported by decades of corruption and abuse, what good is all the DNA evidence in the world? Not only was it easily believable by THAT jury, but OJs lawyers eviscerated the state's crime lab. The procedures they used, the manor in which they collected it, and all that served an already concrete bias that the LAPD was racist and crooked.
I think you're missing the point.
No, I get the point. I just agree to disagree. The crime lab made some mistakes on certain items at the crime scene, but not in all cases. There was clear DNA evidence. OJ had both of the victims DNA on him when he was arrested. It was in his van. The crime lab didn't screw that part up. It was selective hearing on the case of the jurors. Two wrongs don't make a right. But that's just me.
I always thought that OJ did it due to the DNA. However, if I was African American and knowing that LAPD was very biased, then to have Fuhrman perjure himself on the stand, it is not a stretch to believe that the DNA could have been planted. It was also noteworthy that some blood evidence appeared on photos that were taken in the same location that earlier showed none. Then the handling of the blood evidence was atrocious. I always thought that OJ did it, but I can see why that jury did not think that the state proved its case, because of bias that came through loud and clear.
Agree that the blood evidence at that scene was horrible. Guess for me....the fact that the DNA evidence on OJ and in his van points to him. And that DNA evidence wasnt fumbled. Literally DNA evidence that was on him when he was arrested.
Once again. If he was not rich, he would have been convicted without the DNA evidence at all. The prior domestic abuse would have been enough to prove motive and the blood on the Bronco alone would have been enough to make the link. It is hard to create reasonable doubt when you have a public defender. But if you can afford five of the best lawyers in the USA, you have nothing but time and money to spend raising reasonable doubt.
Take out the money and celebrity and OJ is in jail regardless of the jury or venue.
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Theoretically, if you bought the idea that the police were corrupt, then they could have planted blood evidence from the victims in and on the Bronco. Also, he had a cut on him when arrested but did not have any of the victims DNA on him at that time. Your point is well taken that only with the dream team would he have been acquitted.
Just curious, were you as upset when the little girl was shot in the back of the head by the lady in the corner store ?? That lady got 5 years of probation.... How did you feel about this??
Not the poster you are quoting, but I thought that was ridiculous. Should have been given 30 to life. I also felt the incident where the husband was driving his pregnant wife to the hospital and was shot for no reason was outrageous, too. Both of those made me every bit as mad as the actual OJ outcome. However, since the documentary spent more time on the jury it was much easier to see the impact this jury had. I agree with other posters that this jury was full or ignorant people. The older lady they kept showing that was bashing Marcia Clark every chance she got and kept saying "this was for Rodney King" sounded about as dumb as it gets. I especially loved her insight when asked what was her thoughts on being selected to the jury. She said something along the lines of "Well my son said, momma OMG. My daughter was just like OMG. I looked at my daughter and said OMG. And that was it..." That is when I knew this lady was an idiot.
I can understand the outrage with Fuhrman, but the jurors didn't necessarily say they thought OJ was innocent because the LAPD was crooked. They said they came to a not guilty verdict as payback for past incidents that the LAPD overstepped their boundaries on. Letting a murderer like OJ walk doesn't make up for Rodney King, or any of the other injustices. The only juror that seemed to have any common sense was the younger lady who said she trusted Fuhrman, then thought he was a liar after they found out all of the things he had said in the past.
I wore T-shirts that said she was innocent. I made signs supporting her. And I ran down the streets celebrating and hugging all my Korean friends when the verdict came in.
We are talking about the OJ case. Look at the subject line. Do you have anything to add about it ?
(but must admit it is the first time I have seen a high schooler referred to as a "little girl". Shows your willingness to bend the facts right off the bat and explains my unwillingness to engage in a conversation with you).
Make it plan....What are you getting at? If you are asking if I celebrated that that murderer got off Scott free, then the answer is No I did not celebrate. This trial was not the only travesty in the documentary, there were so many other issues leading up to that trial that lead to a guilty man going free. That's the point I was making.
A conspiracy? How many cops would have to be in on it ? Truth is OJ was more white than black. He married a white woman, lived in a rich white neighborhood, and was actually treated like a rich celebrity by the same police who were accused of planting evidence. Police had been called to his home before for minor disturbances and had never given him so much as a ticket. Police played favorites with him just like they would any rich celebrity. And the glove not fitting was a complete joke. I can take any glove I own, and they all fit, but by spreading my fingers I can't get my hand in any of them. But here again the two idiots prosecuting the case let the glove go and never even challenged it.
Then what are you asking/implying?
Most people didn't even know about it at the time to be upset. Based on the 3 minutes they discussed it in the doc, it looks to be pretty ridiculous.
If it was a popular white celebrity that did it (say....Chris Evert), there's no doubt it would've been pretty upsetting if she got away with it.
lol..... 3 minutes worth. Do you have any questions or comments about my post that you originally quoted or do you just want to talk about a 3 minute section of a 450 minute documentary ?
Capone was convicted of tax evasion when everyone knew he was the head of a large crime syndicate responsible for murder among many other crimes. You get justice where you can.
You need to revisit the documentary I do not think you watched. The girl shot in the head and Rodney King were 90% of the first episode. I just checked and they spent 12 minutes on one segment of the girl getting shot alone. There were additional segments that followed that I did not have time to clock.
3 minutes, 12 minutes, whatever. Didn't have time to put a stopwatch on it so used Damone's numbers.
No problem. Now just use this as a learning experience and stop talking out your ass.
And you might want to actually watch the documentary before commenting. From what I can tell, you either have not watched it or have a learning disability and could not comprehend or retain it.
ahhh, you made it a full one page before having to resort to name calling. Nicely done.
Might want to get a life instead of caring so much about a message board that you would spend your free time with a freaking stopwatch while watching a documentary multiple times. Geez, go fishing or something.
I think the judge should have been removed from the bench. After weeks of the trial the jury took less than half a day to decide. The judge should have declared a mistrial and not read the verdict and forced a new trial. He should have because the jury obviously did not debate and consider the evidence and the short time frame for the verdict should have been all the judge needed for a mistrial. But the judge let the trial become a three ring circus.
lol. Yes. It is my fault that you talk out of your ass. Lemme guess. You believe in "personal responsibility," right?
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