If bigots didnt raise their brats to be hateful humans, Timmy wouldnt get picked on by his peers.
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OT: Gay Marriage Ban Defeated in Arkansas
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Next time you start 
ing about how we are struggling to recruit, remember threads like this one. The national perception of our state is that it is full of a bunch of rednecks and bigots. It is hard not to agree with that perception when I see threads like this.
ing about how we are struggling to recruit, remember threads like this one. The national perception of our state is that it is full of a bunch of rednecks and bigots. It is hard not to agree with that perception when I see threads like this.Meh, if you want my honest opinion, 10 years ago, you'd probably right. However, I fully expect this to be normal in 10 years, so, looking forward, I don't see it being a big issue.
And marriage is different than raising a child. That's a totally different animal.
This post was edited on 5/9 8:52 PM by HogGotti
Oh the horror.
I venture to Wally World once a week and see the trash of the trash. To think that people are completely fine with these people marrying bc one is a man and one is a woman is insane to me.
Other comical things. Picking and choosing what parts of the bible people follow and people ok with lesbians but not gay dudes
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I venture to Wally World once a week and see the trash of the trash. To think that people are completely fine with these people marrying bc one is a man and one is a woman is insane to me.
Other comical things. Picking and choosing what parts of the bible people follow and people ok with lesbians but not gay dudes
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I assure you that I rarely call anyone a name on here. Go through every single post I've ever made and you might find 2-3 where I've called someone a name.
I'm sick of listening to the morons on this board talk shit all the time. I have friends that are gay and I'm not going to sit by and let bigots say things like I'm sick of talking about homos and compare homosexuality to incest and beastiality. Take that shit somewhere else.
I don't pay money to read hate speech from dumbass rednecks. The discussion ended when the hate speech started.
This post was edited on 5/9 8:52 PM by hpharri1994
NO.
It was not. Just because youve been told that over and over during your
life by other people that were told that over and over during their
lives does not make it true.
As an example, Thomas Jefferson -
the man that wrote the declaration of independence and served as 3rd
president - was a deist. He also was a self proclaimed Epicurean.
Assuming you arent familiar with that, Epicurus was an ancient Greek
philosopher that created a philosophy of seeking pleasure (more so
mental than material) as lifes greatest purpose. The "pursuit of
happiness" in the DOI is a reference to Epicurean philosophy. The
philosophy, again one that one of the founders subscribed to, runs in
direct opposition to "Judeo Christian Values" because those values
preach, quite literally, the denial of pleasure in this life to gain
pleasure in the next.
If you would like to go to mountvernon.org
its also spelled out quite clearly that George Washington's religious
affiliation and beliefs are a point of contention. You know why thats
interesting? Because no matter what he believed, he obviously didnt
believe in pushing his beliefs on other people. If he had wanted to
found a country on Christian values, I imagine he would have been more
vocal and less ambiguous in his own beliefs.
You can google this
also if you would like. Benjamin Franklin on his religious views: "I
believe in one God, Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by
His Providence. That he ought to be worshipped. That the most acceptable
Service we render to him, is doing Good to his other Children. That the
Soul of Man is immortal, and will be treated with Justice in another
Life respecting its Conduct in this ... As for Jesus of Nazareth ... I
think the system of Morals and Religion as he left them to us, the best
the World ever saw ... but I have ... some Doubts to his Divinity;
though' it is a Question I do not dogmatism upon, having never studied
it, and think it is needless to busy myself with it now, where I expect
soon an Opportunity of knowing the Truth with less Trouble."
He
may have looked to Jesus for answers on morality, but he didnt even
believe in his divinity. How are you going to help found a country on a
principle you dont believe in? Looking to Jesus for answers on morality
when not believing in his divinity is no different in looking to
philosophers for the same answer.
John Adams also rejected the
divinity of Christ and the holy trinity. Also available via google from
reputable websites that are not wikipedia.
This country has gone to sh!t over the last 30 years. Its no coincidence that it started happening once the nation became more "liberal".
Unfortunately, Tree climber is right.
Liberals just aren't capable of seeing the big picture. They look at situations in isolation... They are totally blindsided by perfectly predictable consequences of their policies. They cannot connect the dots.
Judeo Christian Values! Values! The values! The values!!! One more time, this country's values! Unlike that of every country in the Middle East which are founded and guided my Islamic principals! The values of Christ are what's being discussed here, not if he is the son of god! They don't have to be one in the same. You can believe that the teachings of the bible are productive for society without acknowledging Jesus Christ is your lord and savior! Anyone that believes the teachings of Jesus were a bad way for ones society to live are just in bad bad shape. I feel sorry for you. I don't return the hate you spew to believers.
You completely fail at reading comprehension. Im not surprised. Also, no hate was being "spewed." I presented you with facts. Ignore them if you want. I find great solace in the fact that the world will continue to spin whether or not you and people like you want it to.
The moral and ethical depravity of this world, this country, and this board is stunning.....just totally unbelievable. There is so much more evidence to suggest that we do indeed have a Creator than there isn't. And those who "want" to see and understand, can see prophecy being fulfilled the farther in time we go, and seemingly gaining momentum.
God created Adam.....then He created Eve. They had children. THAT was and IS God's plan for mankind. Look....I don't care if people choose to be gay....I don't agree with it nor like it...but it's their business....they will be the ones to pay the price. But marriage IS a religious institution, as God said a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his WIFE....and they twain shall be ONE FLESH...... and government should NOT intervene or interfere in any way, shape or form.
But raising children in these gay households is wrong....and it doesn't matter that 50% of marriages end in divorce or that children are given up for adoption for any reason. A wrong doesn't justify another wrong....and it isn't HATE. That's just a word ALL liberals throw out there when someone disagrees with them....it's become liberal political policy to call others who have views different from theirs "haters". It's just totally sad, mind-boggling, and dis-heartening at the direction our country and world society as a whole is heading. The ever growing social, ethical, moral perversion is staggering. We had so much promise, then we let it all slip away. Many of you may not believe in God...but that doesn't mean He doesn't exist....it's sad, and you will assuredly be judged one day soon.
God created Adam.....then He created Eve. They had children. THAT was and IS God's plan for mankind. Look....I don't care if people choose to be gay....I don't agree with it nor like it...but it's their business....they will be the ones to pay the price. But marriage IS a religious institution, as God said a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his WIFE....and they twain shall be ONE FLESH...... and government should NOT intervene or interfere in any way, shape or form.
But raising children in these gay households is wrong....and it doesn't matter that 50% of marriages end in divorce or that children are given up for adoption for any reason. A wrong doesn't justify another wrong....and it isn't HATE. That's just a word ALL liberals throw out there when someone disagrees with them....it's become liberal political policy to call others who have views different from theirs "haters". It's just totally sad, mind-boggling, and dis-heartening at the direction our country and world society as a whole is heading. The ever growing social, ethical, moral perversion is staggering. We had so much promise, then we let it all slip away. Many of you may not believe in God...but that doesn't mean He doesn't exist....it's sad, and you will assuredly be judged one day soon.
You believe everything you just said. Cool. A lot of people don't. As for their being evidence of a creator, people will see what they want to see when they look at the facts, or lack thereof, so its all relative - its all faith on both ends. Why does your faith supersede someone elses?
Some "Liberals" may like to throw out the word hate but some Christians love to remind everyone of how they are going to be judged someday. Being annoying is a two way street.
You say there is much more evidence that we have a creator. Can you list any FACTS that support that claim?
Razorback 9455....being "all relative" is fine when something doesn't really matter....such as some liking or arguing for vanilla and some liking or arguing for chocolate.....or fans form 2 different teams having faith that their team is gonna win...but only one can or does. But in the realm we're talking about...it's life or death. You win big or you lose big. There's nothing relative about that. All of us are headed to the grave, unless the rapture occurs....then some will not face death. But there's nothing relative or irrelevant about this matter.
hpharri1994.....my beliefs are based on evidence on what I read in the Bible and see in life. For one....the Jesus DID live upon the earth, as both Chritians, muslims agree on this, and the Roamn historian Josephus also recorded a few items abot Jesus, or Yeshua I believe in Hebrew. Second....the Bible is clear that after His death on the cross, His disciples were beside themselves, losing their beloved leader whom they'd been with for 3+ years, and whom they'd witness many miracles by. They were bewildered, confused, scared.....and I believe Christianity would have all but died if that had been it. BUT when they saw Jesus alive and well after the third day...then His ascention towards Heaven....they ALL believed and preached the Gospel until they too were put to death for their convictions. The Israelites being let go by Egypt and the Pharoh was no accident....the location of Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat....the "tiny" little country of Israel still being a nation/people though they been persecuted harshly through the years.....America being blessed for backing and being a friend to Israel....until our current administration took power....Abraham and his sons Isaac and Ishmael.....the Christians AND the muslims claim Abraham as their father. The fact that of the leaders/founders of the worlds 3 great religions....Buddah-Hinduism-??, Mohammed-islam, and Jesus-Christianity.....Buddah died a peaceful and natural death...Muhammed died from probable poisoning.....only Jesus was brutally killed, and CHOSE to do so. satan attacked Jesus, through the hatred /jealousy of the religious leaders of the time, because He WAS the real deal...THE Son of God........the others weren't, and were no threat to him. I know all this means very little to you, so I'm more than likely not dong any good....but that's alright. The seed falls and springs up and grows where it will.....there's NO WAY the Bible...from beginning to end....with all the characters from Adam and Eve...Job, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Mary and Joseph, John the Baptist, Jesus, etc....could be just coincidence. Even King Harrod is recorded by Josephus in the same time frame as John the Baptist and Jesus. Even the days we're living in and the things/current events which are taking place in America and around the world are predicted throughout the Bible.......I'm just sorry you and many others choose not to believe. But there's no way to escape eternity.....and there's only 2 possible destinations.
hpharri1994.....my beliefs are based on evidence on what I read in the Bible and see in life. For one....the Jesus DID live upon the earth, as both Chritians, muslims agree on this, and the Roamn historian Josephus also recorded a few items abot Jesus, or Yeshua I believe in Hebrew. Second....the Bible is clear that after His death on the cross, His disciples were beside themselves, losing their beloved leader whom they'd been with for 3+ years, and whom they'd witness many miracles by. They were bewildered, confused, scared.....and I believe Christianity would have all but died if that had been it. BUT when they saw Jesus alive and well after the third day...then His ascention towards Heaven....they ALL believed and preached the Gospel until they too were put to death for their convictions. The Israelites being let go by Egypt and the Pharoh was no accident....the location of Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat....the "tiny" little country of Israel still being a nation/people though they been persecuted harshly through the years.....America being blessed for backing and being a friend to Israel....until our current administration took power....Abraham and his sons Isaac and Ishmael.....the Christians AND the muslims claim Abraham as their father. The fact that of the leaders/founders of the worlds 3 great religions....Buddah-Hinduism-??, Mohammed-islam, and Jesus-Christianity.....Buddah died a peaceful and natural death...Muhammed died from probable poisoning.....only Jesus was brutally killed, and CHOSE to do so. satan attacked Jesus, through the hatred /jealousy of the religious leaders of the time, because He WAS the real deal...THE Son of God........the others weren't, and were no threat to him. I know all this means very little to you, so I'm more than likely not dong any good....but that's alright. The seed falls and springs up and grows where it will.....there's NO WAY the Bible...from beginning to end....with all the characters from Adam and Eve...Job, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Mary and Joseph, John the Baptist, Jesus, etc....could be just coincidence. Even King Harrod is recorded by Josephus in the same time frame as John the Baptist and Jesus. Even the days we're living in and the things/current events which are taking place in America and around the world are predicted throughout the Bible.......I'm just sorry you and many others choose not to believe. But there's no way to escape eternity.....and there's only 2 possible destinations.
People won't believe it till they see it. Just wait and see what happens to kids that are raised by Shawn and Vince. There will be more violence, bullying, and hate crimes. Also, the bullied kids will flip the fu@k out more often and go shoot up the middle school. But it isn't real until it happens...right?? Who cares if a few thousand kids lives are unbearable to live... full equality is MUCH more important than that...
You're basing everything on a book not everyone believes in. Just because you believe it doesn't make it true. As for Jesus actually living, as far as I know that's not disputable.
Right back at ya.
I didn't put anyone down or call them names like a little child. I voiced an opinion which I will standby.
I would not have seen your post unless someone else "quoted" it . Glad I did as it reminds me why I have you on ignore.
One question for the liberals out there. Which perverted lifestyles are ok and which are not in your book? The standard used by most liberals is that if it's two consenting adults engaging in homosexual behavior then it's ok. So why would you not be beating the drum to legalize incest. One poster even stated that people should be allowed to live their life as they see fit as long as they don't hurt anyone else, so is said poster in favor of incest? I could really care less about what adults do in the privacy of their bedroom, but to flaunt perverted behavior and drag it into the public domain and pretend it's "just a different lifestyle" and demand imagined constitutional rights because of said behavior, gets a little old, at least call it what it is. Hell, if homosexuals are so proud of their lifestyle why do they insist that they be called "gay" instead of homosexuals. I also thought we had separation of church and state in this country, and since marriage is a religious ceremony, how did we reach the point where the government decides what marriage is? I'll wait for the liberals to explain why they would be for homosexuality but not incest.
Your right razorback9455....not everyone believes in the Bible. But you asked what evidence I had as to why I believed. And not believing in the Bible does not mean that it's not both real and true either. What's been written in the Bible IS being fulfilled as we speak.....and written over 2000 years ago. There are things in there that are beyond explanation.....unless there IS a God and the prophecy IS real. Like I said before.....if this all is real, then you, I, and everyone else on this earth have only two destination choices.....and the final days are coming soon. I truly hope you re-evaluate your beliefs, before it's too late.
Churches are not compelled to marry anyone, including homosexuals. The law only regards governmental recognition of the marriage for legal reasons (transfer of property, etc...).
While Incest is gross, I am for recognizing consensual incest marriages too, if it becomes and issue (I doubt it will). Same for consensual polygamy. Same for bigiots marrying. The 14th amendment is clear. Try reading it.
Actually, the evolved from a common ancestor dating back to primordial ooze.
Learn more and post less.
I imagine you subscribe to bestiality also Mackey (prolly have it as your main porn source) . Also you mentioned "same for bigots Marrying"? . Are you really that freaking psychotic?. It is an opinion a person has and has zero to do with what the thread is about.
I expect to see you either in the nut house or in prison in the near future as you are one sick puppy dude. You might wonder why so many on here call you a moron and an idiot etc etc etc etc , well head the advice and take a step back and look in the mirror.
I understand why you believe it. You arent making a case for why anyone else should believe it or why it should be used to legislate, which is the real issue. You can not legislate for an entire country based on religion. If you want examples of how thats working out, look to countries like Iran.
And the bold part is where you lose most people. A real conversation or debate on a subject can not be had when one party makes statements like that. Believe it or not, this is not personal, and a real debate should not be personal. One person can questions anothers ideas / beliefs, but credibility is lost (and the patience of other people) when it becomes personal.
And whoever up there brought up the bestiality argument, apples to oranges. Completely different. This is a conversation on something that takes place between two consenting adults. It is not a "slippery slope" for marrying animals. It may lead to conversations on brother-sister (or some combination of) marriages, but its not even in the same realm as bestiality, as much as the people with "moral fiber" want it to be.
II am Christian - a practicing Methodist who attends church every Sunday. I believe in the Bible, and Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior. I think Jesus loves homosexuals as much as you and me. I don't have a problem with homosexuals marrying. If it helps them solidify their commitment to each other, then so be it. It does have the added benefit of property transfer, health coverage, etc. I am not threatened by what they choose to do - it's their life not mine. If they don't make it into heaven, they'll have to deal with it, not me. Of course I wonder about all of the sin in my own life - will my sin be viewed more favorably than theirs? I don't know because I don't remember seeing a weighted list of sins in the Bible.
One thing I would encourage non- believers to keep in mind is that tree standhog does not represent the rest of us - only himself.
One thing I would encourage non- believers to keep in mind is that tree standhog does not represent the rest of us - only himself.
Actually, no. Bestiality is probably not consensual for the animal. Not for incest either. Just don't think the government should get involved in peoples consensual sex lives.
Not hard. I am not sure why you have a hard time grasping it.
Solid post. Pretty much where I stand as well.
I just take a harder line in that I do not mind calling a bigot a bigot.
Wow man, you really need to get out and experience the world. Why do you call it a "perverted lifestyle? And let me ask you a question, when did you "choose" to like women? Or did it just come naturally to you? And why do you think gays "choose" to be that way? Is it because that's what you were taught growing up or what? I'll hang up and listen.....
Method said
"I don't have a problem with homosexuals marrying. One thing I would encourage non-believers to keep in mind is that treestandhog does not represent the rest of us - only himself."
Method, you point out that you are a Christian, and that is more than wonderful. You say that you believe in the Bible. When we believe what the Bible teaches, we most likely know that the lifestyle of homosexuality is very much in opposition to the things taught in God's Word. For me, I would suggest that it is not what I believe or I think that is important, but instead, it is what is taught in the Word.
I understand there are many on this board do not believe anything the Bible teaches or says regarding any subject. For those of us who think differently, would you just give us the right to express how we believe without the hatred and scorn?
9455
"Just because you believe it doesn't make it true."
I agree, but have you considered the different ways the Bible has been verified as true?
I understand that most are not interested in checking these things out, and you may be in that number. But there is a website that shows us the many ways that both the Old and New Testament have been proved to be true.
Just a link
"I don't have a problem with homosexuals marrying. One thing I would encourage non-believers to keep in mind is that treestandhog does not represent the rest of us - only himself."
Method, you point out that you are a Christian, and that is more than wonderful. You say that you believe in the Bible. When we believe what the Bible teaches, we most likely know that the lifestyle of homosexuality is very much in opposition to the things taught in God's Word. For me, I would suggest that it is not what I believe or I think that is important, but instead, it is what is taught in the Word.
I understand there are many on this board do not believe anything the Bible teaches or says regarding any subject. For those of us who think differently, would you just give us the right to express how we believe without the hatred and scorn?
9455
"Just because you believe it doesn't make it true."
I agree, but have you considered the different ways the Bible has been verified as true?
I understand that most are not interested in checking these things out, and you may be in that number. But there is a website that shows us the many ways that both the Old and New Testament have been proved to be true.
Just a link
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