Razorbackism

[brianflops]

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by brianflops:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by brianflops:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by brianflops:

Originally posted by Woodlands_Hog:
Brianflops, if you feel bad enough then there is always the option of you going to these third-world countries and sharing.

If you are using that as example of why there is no God, then that's a very weak argument.







Posted from Rivals Mobile

I believe there is a God.

Just putting it out there that if the only way to get to heaven is to be Christian, there's millions and millions of people throughout the world that will never have a chance.

The Great Commission was/is the calling of Christians to go out and teach and win all nations. This is why Christianity sends missionaries throughout the world. As we speak, there are missionaries living with their families in places of poverty, violence, disease, hunger, and war. They do this not for personal rewards, as those rewards are sparce in that line of work, but b/c Jesus called us to do just that. For every missionary, there are lots of everyday folks that support them with donations, prayers, and moral support.

If there are people left out w/o hearing the truth, it is b/c of the failure of man to obey God's instruction. There are surely enough folks on this planet to reach every human, there is just a lack of those who try. That's the thing about God, if you don't want to care, if you don't want to believe, if you don't want to follow His laws, He will let you do just that. If folks leave this world w/o ever hearing about Jesus, that is on the folks who have heard but chose not to care.

So how are we supposed to get into North Korea? Or Iran? How are the tribal people living in the Amazon who don't have interactions or the ability to communicate with the outside world?

Of course there are going to be people who are "left out w/o hearing the truth". It would be absolutely impossible for Christians to reach every human on the planet, and one would be very naïve to even think that possible. So, again, are these people who have never been reached and know nothing about Christianity, or even the fact that it exists, going to hell?

There are missionaries in China, the Sudan, parts of the old Soviet Union, muslim countries, all over Africa, and lots of other places nobody would ever go on vacation. Many of these missionaries live at great risk in order to do God's work. In many places, they have church services in hidden places. Imagine if everybody just in America supported mission work how many more folks could be reached. God gave us the knowledge and the means to see that nobody fails to hear His word, it is humans who have chose to not believe and it is humans who have closed Him out of places like Iran and North Korea. God allows free will, and a lot of evil people see it as permission to be evil.

God gave the earth to humans along with instructions on how to use it. It is up to us to do what He instructed. If some people get left out b/c nobody told them the truth, it is on us.

You're not answering my question. If a person is unable to know Christianity, or that it even exists, will they go to hell? It sounds like you're saying yes they will, because Christians were unable to reach them. How is that those people's fault? Why should they be punished for, by your own words, Christians not being able to reach them?

I understand there are missionaries all over the world. That doesn't change the fact that they will not reach every single human on the planet. Therefore every single person on the planet would not have the choice, opportunity, or freedom to know about Christianity. These people will go to hell because some people are "evil"?

I did answer your question, and the answer is yes. I am far from a Biblical scholar, but I do know that we carry not only our sins, but the sins of our fathers. By our fathers, it is talking about the generations before us that allowed folks to have power to remove God from places like Iran and North Korea. It is man who has created false gods, it is man who has demanded that no god be worshipped, and it is man who has chosen a path away from the one true God.

If you are a Christian, you know the basic truth that we all fall short of the sinless life that would be required to get to Heaven if not for the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins. No one is worthy, not even one. In order to rise above our own faults we must believe in Jesus and accept His gift. While it may be unjust that some will never even have the chance to accept or reject God, it is our injustice and not God's that cuts so many off from having a chance to hear the truth.

God gave us free will b/c He wants us to seek him b/c we know who and what He is. It is that free will that has gotten in the way of the Great Commission and it is that free will combined with the evil that comes with it that will cause some to never hear God's word. The sins of the fathers.

So if a baby is born to a Muslim family and is blown up by a suicide bomber before it learns to read or write, then that baby is going to hell because Christians, whether present day or those throughout the history of Christianity, failed to reach his family/region/country and convert him to Christianity? That doesn't sound like a just or fair god at all.

 

[Ole Hambone]

Can you name a religion that you can get believes you can get into heaven without being a practicing member of that religion?

 

[rzrbk7777]

Originally posted by brianflops:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by brianflops:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by brianflops:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by brianflops:

Originally posted by Woodlands_Hog:
Brianflops, if you feel bad enough then there is always the option of you going to these third-world countries and sharing.

If you are using that as example of why there is no God, then that's a very weak argument.








Posted from Rivals Mobile

I believe there is a God.

Just putting it out there that if the only way to get to heaven is to be Christian, there's millions and millions of people throughout the world that will never have a chance.

The Great Commission was/is the calling of Christians to go out and teach and win all nations. This is why Christianity sends missionaries throughout the world. As we speak, there are missionaries living with their families in places of poverty, violence, disease, hunger, and war. They do this not for personal rewards, as those rewards are sparce in that line of work, but b/c Jesus called us to do just that. For every missionary, there are lots of everyday folks that support them with donations, prayers, and moral support.

If there are people left out w/o hearing the truth, it is b/c of the failure of man to obey God's instruction. There are surely enough folks on this planet to reach every human, there is just a lack of those who try. That's the thing about God, if you don't want to care, if you don't want to believe, if you don't want to follow His laws, He will let you do just that. If folks leave this world w/o ever hearing about Jesus, that is on the folks who have heard but chose not to care.

So how are we supposed to get into North Korea? Or Iran? How are the tribal people living in the Amazon who don't have interactions or the ability to communicate with the outside world?

Of course there are going to be people who are "left out w/o hearing the truth". It would be absolutely impossible for Christians to reach every human on the planet, and one would be very naïve to even think that possible. So, again, are these people who have never been reached and know nothing about Christianity, or even the fact that it exists, going to hell?

There are missionaries in China, the Sudan, parts of the old Soviet Union, muslim countries, all over Africa, and lots of other places nobody would ever go on vacation. Many of these missionaries live at great risk in order to do God's work. In many places, they have church services in hidden places. Imagine if everybody just in America supported mission work how many more folks could be reached. God gave us the knowledge and the means to see that nobody fails to hear His word, it is humans who have chose to not believe and it is humans who have closed Him out of places like Iran and North Korea. God allows free will, and a lot of evil people see it as permission to be evil.

God gave the earth to humans along with instructions on how to use it. It is up to us to do what He instructed. If some people get left out b/c nobody told them the truth, it is on us.

You're not answering my question. If a person is unable to know Christianity, or that it even exists, will they go to hell? It sounds like you're saying yes they will, because Christians were unable to reach them. How is that those people's fault? Why should they be punished for, by your own words, Christians not being able to reach them?

I understand there are missionaries all over the world. That doesn't change the fact that they will not reach every single human on the planet. Therefore every single person on the planet would not have the choice, opportunity, or freedom to know about Christianity. These people will go to hell because some people are "evil"?

I did answer your question, and the answer is yes. I am far from a Biblical scholar, but I do know that we carry not only our sins, but the sins of our fathers. By our fathers, it is talking about the generations before us that allowed folks to have power to remove God from places like Iran and North Korea. It is man who has created false gods, it is man who has demanded that no god be worshipped, and it is man who has chosen a path away from the one true God.

If you are a Christian, you know the basic truth that we all fall short of the sinless life that would be required to get to Heaven if not for the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins. No one is worthy, not even one. In order to rise above our own faults we must believe in Jesus and accept His gift. While it may be unjust that some will never even have the chance to accept or reject God, it is our injustice and not God's that cuts so many off from having a chance to hear the truth.

God gave us free will b/c He wants us to seek him b/c we know who and what He is. It is that free will that has gotten in the way of the Great Commission and it is that free will combined with the evil that comes with it that will cause some to never hear God's word. The sins of the fathers.

So if a baby is born to a Muslim family and is blown up by a suicide bomber before it learns to read or write, then that baby is going to hell because Christians, whether present day or those throughout the history of Christianity, failed to reach his family/region/country and convert him to Christianity? That doesn't sound like a just or fair god at all.

I have always been taught that children too young to understand the concept of salvation are not held accountable by God and all go to heaven. Not sure what the age of accountability is, but I have always thought it was the time in which a kid knew the difference between good and evil. I have always figured that varies greatly from one kid to another for a plethora of reasons. But God, being God, knows exactly when that is whether I do or not. And that is what really matters.

I'm a little confused. You started all of this by declaring you believe in God. Since then you have done nothing but question Him like a newbie prosecutor trying to make an impression. As I said, I am not much of a Bible scholar and you are taxing my knowledge of the subject and starting to tax my patience.

But I have some good news for you. There is no shortage of people out there who know the Bible far better than I do and most I know would be tickled to answer your questions. You know, the Great Commission I've been talking about. Another thing you could do, find the answers yourself. They are all in the Bible.

 

[rzrbk7777]

Originally posted by RazorbackDundee:

Originally posted by Woodlands_Hog:
Dundee, if it were works based you would be in great shape. Well except for the part about your righteousness being as a filthy rag.

Thank God for Grace. Try it some time. Dump the religious rhetoric and give grace a chance.

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My point exactly Woodsland.

I live by fairly high morals standards , what gives a person the right to push their beliefs onto someone else whom is obviously not interested?. Is it O.K. for the Muslims to push Allah or Buddhists to push Buddhism to all corners of the globe or one of the other thousand other religions out there now?, they all think their god/religion is the only one the right one.

Wouldn't it just be better to keep your beliefs to yourself on not try to force your will onto someone else?.

Gotta ask Dundee, has anybody forced you to believe anything you don't want to? Didn't think so. So what is the problem?

You see, in this country, we have always had the right to speak our mind regardless of what that is. What the left wing media, Hollywood, and gay rights folks want to do is stifle that right for religion in general, but especially Christians. You seem to be a proponent of that. Makes me wonder if you and the left have any workable grasp of history.

You see, throughout history, whenever the people gave the government the power to stifle what folks can say, sooner or later they stifle stuff that those who initially backed them say too. This has never failed to happen anywhere freedoms were removed in order to appease an outspoken faction. You guys that want to make Christians wilt quietly in to the corner will not be so happy when your voice is quieted. Once you give up rights to get your way, you will not get them back when YOU need them. Really short sided and stupid. And dangerous.

 

[brianflops]

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by brianflops:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by brianflops:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by brianflops:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by brianflops:

Originally posted by Woodlands_Hog:
Brianflops, if you feel bad enough then there is always the option of you going to these third-world countries and sharing.

If you are using that as example of why there is no God, then that's a very weak argument.









Posted from Rivals Mobile

I believe there is a God.

Just putting it out there that if the only way to get to heaven is to be Christian, there's millions and millions of people throughout the world that will never have a chance.

The Great Commission was/is the calling of Christians to go out and teach and win all nations. This is why Christianity sends missionaries throughout the world. As we speak, there are missionaries living with their families in places of poverty, violence, disease, hunger, and war. They do this not for personal rewards, as those rewards are sparce in that line of work, but b/c Jesus called us to do just that. For every missionary, there are lots of everyday folks that support them with donations, prayers, and moral support.

If there are people left out w/o hearing the truth, it is b/c of the failure of man to obey God's instruction. There are surely enough folks on this planet to reach every human, there is just a lack of those who try. That's the thing about God, if you don't want to care, if you don't want to believe, if you don't want to follow His laws, He will let you do just that. If folks leave this world w/o ever hearing about Jesus, that is on the folks who have heard but chose not to care.

So how are we supposed to get into North Korea? Or Iran? How are the tribal people living in the Amazon who don't have interactions or the ability to communicate with the outside world?

Of course there are going to be people who are "left out w/o hearing the truth". It would be absolutely impossible for Christians to reach every human on the planet, and one would be very naïve to even think that possible. So, again, are these people who have never been reached and know nothing about Christianity, or even the fact that it exists, going to hell?

There are missionaries in China, the Sudan, parts of the old Soviet Union, muslim countries, all over Africa, and lots of other places nobody would ever go on vacation. Many of these missionaries live at great risk in order to do God's work. In many places, they have church services in hidden places. Imagine if everybody just in America supported mission work how many more folks could be reached. God gave us the knowledge and the means to see that nobody fails to hear His word, it is humans who have chose to not believe and it is humans who have closed Him out of places like Iran and North Korea. God allows free will, and a lot of evil people see it as permission to be evil.

God gave the earth to humans along with instructions on how to use it. It is up to us to do what He instructed. If some people get left out b/c nobody told them the truth, it is on us.

You're not answering my question. If a person is unable to know Christianity, or that it even exists, will they go to hell? It sounds like you're saying yes they will, because Christians were unable to reach them. How is that those people's fault? Why should they be punished for, by your own words, Christians not being able to reach them?

I understand there are missionaries all over the world. That doesn't change the fact that they will not reach every single human on the planet. Therefore every single person on the planet would not have the choice, opportunity, or freedom to know about Christianity. These people will go to hell because some people are "evil"?

I did answer your question, and the answer is yes. I am far from a Biblical scholar, but I do know that we carry not only our sins, but the sins of our fathers. By our fathers, it is talking about the generations before us that allowed folks to have power to remove God from places like Iran and North Korea. It is man who has created false gods, it is man who has demanded that no god be worshipped, and it is man who has chosen a path away from the one true God.

If you are a Christian, you know the basic truth that we all fall short of the sinless life that would be required to get to Heaven if not for the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins. No one is worthy, not even one. In order to rise above our own faults we must believe in Jesus and accept His gift. While it may be unjust that some will never even have the chance to accept or reject God, it is our injustice and not God's that cuts so many off from having a chance to hear the truth.

God gave us free will b/c He wants us to seek him b/c we know who and what He is. It is that free will that has gotten in the way of the Great Commission and it is that free will combined with the evil that comes with it that will cause some to never hear God's word. The sins of the fathers.

So if a baby is born to a Muslim family and is blown up by a suicide bomber before it learns to read or write, then that baby is going to hell because Christians, whether present day or those throughout the history of Christianity, failed to reach his family/region/country and convert him to Christianity? That doesn't sound like a just or fair god at all.

I have always been taught that children too young to understand the concept of salvation are not held accountable by God and all go to heaven. Not sure what the age of accountability is, but I have always thought it was the time in which a kid knew the difference between good and evil. I have always figured that varies greatly from one kid to another for a plethora of reasons. But God, being God, knows exactly when that is whether I do or not. And that is what really matters.

I'm a little confused. You started all of this by declaring you believe in God. Since then you have done nothing but question Him like a newbie prosecutor trying to make an impression. As I said, I am not much of a Bible scholar and you are taxing my knowledge of the subject and starting to tax my patience.

But I have some good news for you. There is no shortage of people out there who know the Bible far better than I do and most I know would be tickled to answer your questions. You know, the Great Commission I've been talking about. Another thing you could do, find the answers yourself. They are all in the Bible.

Lololol!!!

I'd say you're more than a little confused. Why would you believe in something without thoroughly questioning it? Why is it wrong to ask questions? I'm sorry that you can't answer my simple questions and that angers you. It seems to me that you yourself should go study your religion a little bit more, that way when someone questions it, you can intelligently respond without getting angry or impatient. I've asked all of my questions with sincerity, so that I could gain some understanding. All you've done is talk in circles in your responses to me. I'm done trying to have a conversation about it, and trying to understand where you're coming from, basically because the bolded paragraph above. It basically says, "I can't answer you, but I'm right and you're wrong!". Lol ok.

Peace, and for the most part, thanks for the conversation.

 

[rzrbk7777]

Originally posted by brianflops:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by brianflops:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by brianflops:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by brianflops:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by brianflops:

Originally posted by Woodlands_Hog:
Brianflops, if you feel bad enough then there is always the option of you going to these third-world countries and sharing.

If you are using that as example of why there is no God, then that's a very weak argument.










Posted from Rivals Mobile

I believe there is a God.

Just putting it out there that if the only way to get to heaven is to be Christian, there's millions and millions of people throughout the world that will never have a chance.

The Great Commission was/is the calling of Christians to go out and teach and win all nations. This is why Christianity sends missionaries throughout the world. As we speak, there are missionaries living with their families in places of poverty, violence, disease, hunger, and war. They do this not for personal rewards, as those rewards are sparce in that line of work, but b/c Jesus called us to do just that. For every missionary, there are lots of everyday folks that support them with donations, prayers, and moral support.

If there are people left out w/o hearing the truth, it is b/c of the failure of man to obey God's instruction. There are surely enough folks on this planet to reach every human, there is just a lack of those who try. That's the thing about God, if you don't want to care, if you don't want to believe, if you don't want to follow His laws, He will let you do just that. If folks leave this world w/o ever hearing about Jesus, that is on the folks who have heard but chose not to care.

So how are we supposed to get into North Korea? Or Iran? How are the tribal people living in the Amazon who don't have interactions or the ability to communicate with the outside world?

Of course there are going to be people who are "left out w/o hearing the truth". It would be absolutely impossible for Christians to reach every human on the planet, and one would be very naïve to even think that possible. So, again, are these people who have never been reached and know nothing about Christianity, or even the fact that it exists, going to hell?

There are missionaries in China, the Sudan, parts of the old Soviet Union, muslim countries, all over Africa, and lots of other places nobody would ever go on vacation. Many of these missionaries live at great risk in order to do God's work. In many places, they have church services in hidden places. Imagine if everybody just in America supported mission work how many more folks could be reached. God gave us the knowledge and the means to see that nobody fails to hear His word, it is humans who have chose to not believe and it is humans who have closed Him out of places like Iran and North Korea. God allows free will, and a lot of evil people see it as permission to be evil.

God gave the earth to humans along with instructions on how to use it. It is up to us to do what He instructed. If some people get left out b/c nobody told them the truth, it is on us.

You're not answering my question. If a person is unable to know Christianity, or that it even exists, will they go to hell? It sounds like you're saying yes they will, because Christians were unable to reach them. How is that those people's fault? Why should they be punished for, by your own words, Christians not being able to reach them?

I understand there are missionaries all over the world. That doesn't change the fact that they will not reach every single human on the planet. Therefore every single person on the planet would not have the choice, opportunity, or freedom to know about Christianity. These people will go to hell because some people are "evil"?

I did answer your question, and the answer is yes. I am far from a Biblical scholar, but I do know that we carry not only our sins, but the sins of our fathers. By our fathers, it is talking about the generations before us that allowed folks to have power to remove God from places like Iran and North Korea. It is man who has created false gods, it is man who has demanded that no god be worshipped, and it is man who has chosen a path away from the one true God.

If you are a Christian, you know the basic truth that we all fall short of the sinless life that would be required to get to Heaven if not for the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins. No one is worthy, not even one. In order to rise above our own faults we must believe in Jesus and accept His gift. While it may be unjust that some will never even have the chance to accept or reject God, it is our injustice and not God's that cuts so many off from having a chance to hear the truth.

God gave us free will b/c He wants us to seek him b/c we know who and what He is. It is that free will that has gotten in the way of the Great Commission and it is that free will combined with the evil that comes with it that will cause some to never hear God's word. The sins of the fathers.

So if a baby is born to a Muslim family and is blown up by a suicide bomber before it learns to read or write, then that baby is going to hell because Christians, whether present day or those throughout the history of Christianity, failed to reach his family/region/country and convert him to Christianity? That doesn't sound like a just or fair god at all.

I have always been taught that children too young to understand the concept of salvation are not held accountable by God and all go to heaven. Not sure what the age of accountability is, but I have always thought it was the time in which a kid knew the difference between good and evil. I have always figured that varies greatly from one kid to another for a plethora of reasons. But God, being God, knows exactly when that is whether I do or not. And that is what really matters.

I'm a little confused. You started all of this by declaring you believe in God. Since then you have done nothing but question Him like a newbie prosecutor trying to make an impression. As I said, I am not much of a Bible scholar and you are taxing my knowledge of the subject and starting to tax my patience.

But I have some good news for you. There is no shortage of people out there who know the Bible far better than I do and most I know would be tickled to answer your questions. You know, the Great Commission I've been talking about. Another thing you could do, find the answers yourself. They are all in the Bible.

Lololol!!!

I'd say you're more than a little confused. Why would you believe in something without thoroughly questioning it? Why is it wrong to ask questions? I'm sorry that you can't answer my simple questions and that angers you. It seems to me that you yourself should go study your religion a little bit more, that way when someone questions it, you can intelligently respond without getting angry or impatient. I've asked all of my questions with sincerity, so that I could gain some understanding. All you've done is talk in circles in your responses to me. I'm done trying to have a conversation about it, and trying to understand where you're coming from, basically because the bolded paragraph above. It basically says, "I can't answer you, but I'm right and you're wrong!". Lol ok.

Peace, and for the most part, thanks for the conversation.

If there is such a thing as a religious troll, I reckon you would be it.

Never said I was angry, stated you were taxing my patience. Not the same thing.

If it is such a simple question, how is it that you are too simple to know the answer?

I asked you a question several posts back and you never answered it. Lead by example, at least I tried to answer you.

I told you repeatedly I am no Bible scholar. so you think I should go study a little more? I'm not the one seeking answers here, why should I go study more? I may not be a Bible scholar, but I am way head of you on the subject. You want to learn about God? You don't need me to teach you. I am not a shining example of what a Christian is. Sounds like you need to find someone who is, which is what I already told you more than once you need to do.

But that seems to be the real deal here, you ask the same question over and over and then try to find a hole in my answer no matter how many ways I try to explain myself. I give you 4 paragraphs and you pick out part of one to attack so as to discredit the Christian as if I am somehow spokesperson for the whole faith. I am not, I just look like it compared to you.