Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
Haha.Originally posted by razorback9455:
You could have put spoiler alert in the subject.
Christians are certainly persecuted in other countries for their faith. How are they being persecuted here?Originally posted by treestandhog:
Christians are under attack...both here and certainly abroad...for their faith. FACT.
Christians are not under attack here. That isn't a fact. It's propaganda.Originally posted by treestandhog:
Christians are under attack...both here and certainly abroad...for their faith. FACT.
By being made to watch movies like God's Not DeadOriginally posted by B0b L0blaw:
Christians are certainly persecuted in other countries for their faith. How are they being persecuted here?Originally posted by treestandhog:
Christians are under attack...both here and certainly abroad...for their faith. FACT.
Hypocrites should always be under attack.Originally posted by treestandhog:
Christians are under attack...both here and certainly abroad...for their faith. FACT.
Originally posted by hpharri1994:
By being made to watch movies like God's Not DeadOriginally posted by B0b L0blaw:
Christians are certainly persecuted in other countries for their faith. How are they being persecuted here?Originally posted by treestandhog:
Christians are under attack...both here and certainly abroad...for their faith. FACT.
Your comments are pretty ironic considering the movie was dedicated to the memory of several Christian student organizations that were sued and as a result had to cease their operations.Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
1. It looks terrible.
2. It stars Dean Cain and Kevin Sorbo.
3. It's a religious propaganda film.
We're a free society so make any movie and like any movie you like. But the idea that Christians are under attack for their faith in this country is more than a little ridiculous.
That's what I was going to say. Good point, ha.Originally posted by RazorDax:
Your comments are pretty ironic considering the movie was dedicated to the memory of several Christian student organizations that were sued and as a result had to cease their operations.Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
1. It looks terrible.
2. It stars Dean Cain and Kevin Sorbo.
3. It's a religious propaganda film.
We're a free society so make any movie and like any movie you like. But the idea that Christians are under attack for their faith in this country is more than a little ridiculous.
Link?Originally posted by RazorDax:
Your comments are pretty ironic considering the movie was dedicated to the memory of several Christian student organizations that were sued and as a result had to cease their operations.Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
1. It looks terrible.
2. It stars Dean Cain and Kevin Sorbo.
3. It's a religious propaganda film.
We're a free society so make any movie and like any movie you like. But the idea that Christians are under attack for their faith in this country is more than a little ridiculous.
So I have to provide a link before you'll believe that Christian student organizations have been sued and as a result are having to cease their operations? I don't think that should be a shock to anyone. You're just upset because you made a bold statement and now you're finding out that you were wrong.Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
Link?Originally posted by RazorDax:
Your comments are pretty ironic considering the movie was dedicated to the memory of several Christian student organizations that were sued and as a result had to cease their operations.Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
1. It looks terrible.
2. It stars Dean Cain and Kevin Sorbo.
3. It's a religious propaganda film.
We're a free society so make any movie and like any movie you like. But the idea that Christians are under attack for their faith in this country is more than a little ridiculous.
You made a claim and yes you have to back it up with facts. I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say this is about school prayer. If it's not, then tell me what it is about. The government can't show favoritism towards any religion. Get off the cross, you're not being persecuted. Having to be tolerant of people who are different than you in culture, religion, etc isn't persecution.Originally posted by RazorDax:
So I have to provide a link before you'll believe that Christian student organizations have been sued and as a result are having to cease their operations? I don't think that should be a shock to anyone. You're just upset because you made a bold statement and now you're finding out that you were wrong.Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
Link?Originally posted by RazorDax:
Your comments are pretty ironic considering the movie was dedicated to the memory of several Christian student organizations that were sued and as a result had to cease their operations.Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
1. It looks terrible.
2. It stars Dean Cain and Kevin Sorbo.
3. It's a religious propaganda film.
We're a free society so make any movie and like any movie you like. But the idea that Christians are under attack for their faith in this country is more than a little ridiculous.
If you need proof that what I wrote is true, then go watch the movie and read the credits at the end. It's the first thing you see. There were several that were listed but I specifically remember one from the University of Wisconsin and another from Missouri State University.
Bob,Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
You made a claim and yes you have to back it up with facts. I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say this is about school prayer. If it's not, then tell me what it is about. The government can't show favoritism towards any religion. Get off the cross, you're not being persecuted. Having to be tolerant of people who are different than you in culture, religion, etc isn't persecution.Originally posted by RazorDax:
So I have to provide a link before you'll believe that Christian student organizations have been sued and as a result are having to cease their operations? I don't think that should be a shock to anyone. You're just upset because you made a bold statement and now you're finding out that you were wrong.Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
Link?Originally posted by RazorDax:
Your comments are pretty ironic considering the movie was dedicated to the memory of several Christian student organizations that were sued and as a result had to cease their operations.Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
1. It looks terrible.
2. It stars Dean Cain and Kevin Sorbo.
3. It's a religious propaganda film.
We're a free society so make any movie and like any movie you like. But the idea that Christians are under attack for their faith in this country is more than a little ridiculous.
If you need proof that what I wrote is true, then go watch the movie and read the credits at the end. It's the first thing you see. There were several that were listed but I specifically remember one from the University of Wisconsin and another from Missouri State University.
I have a terrific idea for you. Why don't you start going to church and tell all the intolerant people there how they are doing wrong. If you already attend a church, then start working with the people that attend your church.Originally posted by txstob:
What is amazing to me is the most prominent thread throughout the new testament is forgiveness and not to be judgemental yet many so called Christians are the most intolerant of all people.
To me most cherry pick which parts of Christianity that suits them. I say live and let live.
I'm going to respond and let it be b\c this is a pointless conversation. We won't change eachother's minds. While I appreciate the sentiment behind your "I will pray for you" comment, you really aught to look at that phrase a little more deeply. While I'm sure it's well intentioned, it comes off bad to a non religious person. You're praying that I find Jesus, which is to say that I'm lost without him and I'm wrong and going to hell. The Agnostic equivalent to that is that I hope you lose your faith. While I respect your right to believe whatever you choose, I think your beliefs are misguided as well.Originally posted by RazorDax:
Bob,Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
You made a claim and yes you have to back it up with facts. I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say this is about school prayer. If it's not, then tell me what it is about. The government can't show favoritism towards any religion. Get off the cross, you're not being persecuted. Having to be tolerant of people who are different than you in culture, religion, etc isn't persecution.Originally posted by RazorDax:
So I have to provide a link before you'll believe that Christian student organizations have been sued and as a result are having to cease their operations? I don't think that should be a shock to anyone. You're just upset because you made a bold statement and now you're finding out that you were wrong.Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
Link?Originally posted by RazorDax:
Your comments are pretty ironic considering the movie was dedicated to the memory of several Christian student organizations that were sued and as a result had to cease their operations.Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
1. It looks terrible.
2. It stars Dean Cain and Kevin Sorbo.
3. It's a religious propaganda film.
We're a free society so make any movie and like any movie you like. But the idea that Christians are under attack for their faith in this country is more than a little ridiculous.
If you need proof that what I wrote is true, then go watch the movie and read the credits at the end. It's the first thing you see. There were several that were listed but I specifically remember one from the University of Wisconsin and another from Missouri State University.
I will pray for you.
The movie doesn't mention prayer in school even once. As I mentioned already, the credits talk about the Christian Student Organizations that have been sued and had to cease their operations as a result. You say the government can't show favoritism towards any religion. What do you call it when a group of atheists sue a Christian organization and the atheists win? I don't see how someone who doesn't believe in God can claim their freedom of religion is being violated by someone who does believe in God.
Get off the cross? You should be very thankful that Jesus took our place on the cross.
You really should go watch the movie and research all of the Christian Student Organizations that were mentioned in the credits. It's not like it was just one or two. It was several. Maybe when the movie comes out on DVD I will buy a copy and count all of them.Originally posted by razorback9455:
I found this on the U of Wisconsin since you cited specifically remembering them.
What they are or were doing is discrimination, but it's not indicative of an American war on Christianity. It's an isolated incident created by people that are narrow minded and it's shameful, but it's not a representation of the entire countries higher education system. And in the defense of U of W, they are claiming the group is discriminating against people that don't align with their beliefs by denying membership / leadership.
The entire thing is petty.
As for the movie, I'll never watch it. It's propaganda. But if it makes your day better, great. The way you live your life has no impact on me and that's the way I prefer it to stay.
Link was found on my phone, so it may not work. I can't get the desktop version currently.
Saying that I will pray for you means that I'm hoping for good things for you. If telling someone that you will pray for them upsets them, they obviously don't understand the meaning of the phrase. I feel bad that wishing you good things upsets you.Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
I'm going to respond and let it be b\c this is a pointless conversation. We won't change eachother's minds. While I appreciate the sentiment behind your "I will pray for you" comment, you really aught to look at that phrase a little more deeply. While I'm sure it's well intentioned, it comes off bad to a non religious person. You're praying that I find Jesus, which is to say that I'm lost without him and I'm wrong and going to hell. The Agnostic equivalent to that is that I hope you lose your faith. While I respect your right to believe whatever you choose, I think your beliefs are misguided as well.Originally posted by RazorDax:
Bob,Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
You made a claim and yes you have to back it up with facts. I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say this is about school prayer. If it's not, then tell me what it is about. The government can't show favoritism towards any religion. Get off the cross, you're not being persecuted. Having to be tolerant of people who are different than you in culture, religion, etc isn't persecution.Originally posted by RazorDax:
So I have to provide a link before you'll believe that Christian student organizations have been sued and as a result are having to cease their operations? I don't think that should be a shock to anyone. You're just upset because you made a bold statement and now you're finding out that you were wrong.Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
Link?Originally posted by RazorDax:
Your comments are pretty ironic considering the movie was dedicated to the memory of several Christian student organizations that were sued and as a result had to cease their operations.Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
1. It looks terrible.
2. It stars Dean Cain and Kevin Sorbo.
3. It's a religious propaganda film.
We're a free society so make any movie and like any movie you like. But the idea that Christians are under attack for their faith in this country is more than a little ridiculous.
If you need proof that what I wrote is true, then go watch the movie and read the credits at the end. It's the first thing you see. There were several that were listed but I specifically remember one from the University of Wisconsin and another from Missouri State University.
I will pray for you.
The movie doesn't mention prayer in school even once. As I mentioned already, the credits talk about the Christian Student Organizations that have been sued and had to cease their operations as a result. You say the government can't show favoritism towards any religion. What do you call it when a group of atheists sue a Christian organization and the atheists win? I don't see how someone who doesn't believe in God can claim their freedom of religion is being violated by someone who does believe in God.
Get off the cross? You should be very thankful that Jesus took our place on the cross.
Since I won't be responding after this I'll give up on the idea of you providing links to help further the discussion and prove the assertion that Christians in the US are being persecuted for their faith.
When an atheist group sues, it's usually b\c a religious group is doing something that is either directly or indirectly "sancitoned" by the state. For instance having a prayer before a football game. It's a government entity letting one religion get up there and have the stage. Basically you've got to let all faiths have the same advantage or none of them. The argument could also be made that faith is a private matter and not supposed to be presented at all by a government agency, body, or institution (a class on education is an obvious exemption to that line of thinking).
Freedom of religion is also freedom from religion. Religion is based on faith, not fact. There's no proof that a historical Jesus was divine, died for our sins, or that there's even a god. As an Agnostic I don't think you can prove there is or isn't a superior being. The onus is on the ones making the claim (that there is a god, that christians are being persecuted, etc) to prove that claim.
Our founders were mostly deists and theists, with a few agnostics mixed in there. We were founded, partially, upon the ability to worship as we saw fit without interference from our government. That means no state sponsored religion. We weren't founded as a christian nation as some think. We're not a theocracy. We're a democratic republic that is mostly christian. While I think the world's religions make no sense and are wrong, the people who follow these faiths have every right to practice them. What they don't have a right to do is to have them sponsored by the state.
I didn't alter anything. You plainly stated that you hadn't and wouldn't see the movie. Then you stated that it took on "higher education" and that it was "propaganda". How can you make statements of fact about a movie you haven't seen?Originally posted by razorback9455:
You altered my last comment to fit your agenda, and I don't accept that
I also never said all Christians are judgmental. Someone else did. People in general are judgmental.
The movie is a propaganda film. They are made all the time and about a variety of subjects.
The Bill Mahr film, Religiosity, made several years ago was also pure propaganda, and I don't endorse it either. We live in a society where you can pass off sensationalism as fact, and that's not a good thing from any perspective
This is awesome. I never knew it was possible to just watch the trailer for a movie before becoming an expert on its content. Just think of all the time I could save...Originally posted by razorback9455:
You quoted me as saying something I didn't say.
I can watch the trailers for it and tell you it's propaganda. It's a simple analysis. Anyway, good night.
Mirror dude . Have a look into it one day. I would put money on you being a guy that would be bad mouthing Muslim's/Buddist's/Catholics etc etc etc and you will prolly lie through your teeth on here and say different . Yet us who don't believe are honest and trustworthy and people whom stand by their word.Originally posted by RazorDax:
Saying that I will pray for you means that I'm hoping for good things for you. If telling someone that you will pray for them upsets them, they obviously don't understand the meaning of the phrase. I feel bad that wishing you good things upsets you.Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
I'm going to respond and let it be b\c this is a pointless conversation. We won't change eachother's minds. While I appreciate the sentiment behind your "I will pray for you" comment, you really aught to look at that phrase a little more deeply. While I'm sure it's well intentioned, it comes off bad to a non religious person. You're praying that I find Jesus, which is to say that I'm lost without him and I'm wrong and going to hell. The Agnostic equivalent to that is that I hope you lose your faith. While I respect your right to believe whatever you choose, I think your beliefs are misguided as well.Originally posted by RazorDax:
Bob,Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
You made a claim and yes you have to back it up with facts. I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say this is about school prayer. If it's not, then tell me what it is about. The government can't show favoritism towards any religion. Get off the cross, you're not being persecuted. Having to be tolerant of people who are different than you in culture, religion, etc isn't persecution.Originally posted by RazorDax:
So I have to provide a link before you'll believe that Christian student organizations have been sued and as a result are having to cease their operations? I don't think that should be a shock to anyone. You're just upset because you made a bold statement and now you're finding out that you were wrong.Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
Link?Originally posted by RazorDax:
Your comments are pretty ironic considering the movie was dedicated to the memory of several Christian student organizations that were sued and as a result had to cease their operations.Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
1. It looks terrible.
2. It stars Dean Cain and Kevin Sorbo.
3. It's a religious propaganda film.
We're a free society so make any movie and like any movie you like. But the idea that Christians are under attack for their faith in this country is more than a little ridiculous.
If you need proof that what I wrote is true, then go watch the movie and read the credits at the end. It's the first thing you see. There were several that were listed but I specifically remember one from the University of Wisconsin and another from Missouri State University.
I will pray for you.
The movie doesn't mention prayer in school even once. As I mentioned already, the credits talk about the Christian Student Organizations that have been sued and had to cease their operations as a result. You say the government can't show favoritism towards any religion. What do you call it when a group of atheists sue a Christian organization and the atheists win? I don't see how someone who doesn't believe in God can claim their freedom of religion is being violated by someone who does believe in God.
Get off the cross? You should be very thankful that Jesus took our place on the cross.
Since I won't be responding after this I'll give up on the idea of you providing links to help further the discussion and prove the assertion that Christians in the US are being persecuted for their faith.
When an atheist group sues, it's usually b\c a religious group is doing something that is either directly or indirectly "sancitoned" by the state. For instance having a prayer before a football game. It's a government entity letting one religion get up there and have the stage. Basically you've got to let all faiths have the same advantage or none of them. The argument could also be made that faith is a private matter and not supposed to be presented at all by a government agency, body, or institution (a class on education is an obvious exemption to that line of thinking).
Freedom of religion is also freedom from religion. Religion is based on faith, not fact. There's no proof that a historical Jesus was divine, died for our sins, or that there's even a god. As an Agnostic I don't think you can prove there is or isn't a superior being. The onus is on the ones making the claim (that there is a god, that christians are being persecuted, etc) to prove that claim.
Our founders were mostly deists and theists, with a few agnostics mixed in there. We were founded, partially, upon the ability to worship as we saw fit without interference from our government. That means no state sponsored religion. We weren't founded as a christian nation as some think. We're not a theocracy. We're a democratic republic that is mostly christian. While I think the world's religions make no sense and are wrong, the people who follow these faiths have every right to practice them. What they don't have a right to do is to have them sponsored by the state.