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I am F'n embarrassed! The Poor world our kids are going to have to encounter. Sad, Sad, SAD. GO HAWGS!!
Did they talk about the person she killed in that car wreck?Thoughts? This should be fun!
How about Johns Hopkins where they pioneered the surgery and refuse to do it anymore because it was proven to relieve the "feelings of transgerderness" in less than 20% of those who received the surgery? And those who have the surgery are then 20 times more likely to commit suicide after receiving it? Or do you not believe in factual data? Like the same data that shows over 70 to 80% of adolescents who claim to be have strong trandgender thoughts simply lose that feeling all together naturally. Yet in Oregon today a 15 year old can have the full surgery without their parents consent (or knowledge) at the cost of the taxpayer when statistics show they will either lose that feeling on their own later or kill themselves all together because they made the mistake of having the surgery.Yes... the sad world where people can be who they truly are.
Woa woa woa don't be bringing facts into this!How about Johns Hopkins where they pioneered the surgery and refuse to do it anymore because it was proven to relieve the "feelings of transgerderness" in less than 20% of those who received the surgery? And those who have the surgery are then 20 times more likely to commit suicide after receiving it? Or do you not believe in factual data? Like the same data that shows over 70 to 80% of adolescents who claim to be have strong trandgender thoughts simply lose that feeling all together naturally. Yet in Oregon today a 15 year old can have the full surgery without their parents consent (or knowledge) at the cost of the taxpayer when statistics show they will either lose that feeling on their own later or kill themselves all together because they made the mistake of having the surgery.
Nothing in what I just typed is misguided or uneducated. In fact it comes directly from the foremost knowledge in the field who now diagnose the situation as a mental disorder due to chemical and/or emotional unbalance. In other words there is something wrong with them. This is not an opinion but a matter of scientific fact supported by the largest compiled data base on the subject from the pioneers of the surgery itself.
But that doesn't fit into your view of those who believe in a natural order of things does it? These people need help according to the data not a path to an unnecessary life altering surgery that results in suicide for a large % of those who partake in it.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/mic...atrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change
Agree 110% Never would I mistreat someone with this issue and I certainly don't judge them.How about Johns Hopkins where they pioneered the surgery and refuse to do it anymore because it was proven to relieve the "feelings of transgerderness" in less than 20% of those who received the surgery? And those who have the surgery are then 20 times more likely to commit suicide after receiving it? Or do you not believe in factual data? Like the same data that shows over 70 to 80% of adolescents who claim to be have strong trandgender thoughts simply lose that feeling all together naturally. Yet in Oregon today a 15 year old can have the full surgery without their parents consent (or knowledge) at the cost of the taxpayer when statistics show they will either lose that feeling on their own later or kill themselves all together because they made the mistake of having the surgery.
Nothing in what I just typed is misguided or uneducated. In fact it comes directly from the foremost knowledge in the field who now diagnose the situation as a mental disorder due to chemical and/or emotional unbalance. In other words there is something wrong with them. This is not an opinion but a matter of scientific fact supported by the largest compiled data base on the subject from the pioneers of the surgery itself.
But that doesn't fit into your view of those who believe in a natural order of things does it? These people need help according to the data not a path to an unnecessary life altering surgery that results in suicide for a large % of those who partake in it.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/mic...atrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change
Truly are? You r kidding right?Yes... the sad world where people can be who they truly are.
Yes... the sad world where people can be who they truly are.
A. This article is from a bogus conservative news site.How about Johns Hopkins where they pioneered the surgery and refuse to do it anymore because it was proven to relieve the "feelings of transgerderness" in less than 20% of those who received the surgery? And those who have the surgery are then 20 times more likely to commit suicide after receiving it? Or do you not believe in factual data? Like the same data that shows over 70 to 80% of adolescents who claim to be have strong trandgender thoughts simply lose that feeling all together naturally. Yet in Oregon today a 15 year old can have the full surgery without their parents consent (or knowledge) at the cost of the taxpayer when statistics show they will either lose that feeling on their own later or kill themselves all together because they made the mistake of having the surgery.
Nothing in what I just typed is misguided or uneducated. In fact it comes directly from the foremost knowledge in the field who now diagnose the situation as a mental disorder due to chemical and/or emotional unbalance. In other words there is something wrong with them. This is not an opinion but a matter of scientific fact supported by the largest compiled data base on the subject from the pioneers of the surgery itself.
But that doesn't fit into your view of those who believe in a natural order of things does it? These people need help according to the data not a path to an unnecessary life altering surgery that results in suicide for a large % of those who partake in it.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/mic...atrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change
How so? Please enlighten me.Yes you are showing a lot of ignorance.
I'm truly shocked that you aren't capable of answering my question.Not wasting my time with someone that doesn't know a man from a woman and why it is a huge deal to all of humanity to know the difference.
I'm truly shocked that you aren't capable of answering my question.
I guess in a way you were right though. It probably was ignorant of me to think that someone such as yourself could present a well-thought-out, fact-based idea.
So your opinion is that the facts provided by a Sr leader at Johns Hopkins supported by research from Vanderbilt is inaccurate and ignorant nasef solely on the publisher. Ignorance ITT indeed.A. This article is from a bogus conservative news site.
B. I'm not sure you understand what the article even says.
C. I'm quite sure you don't understand the difference between transgender and transsexual.
There is a lot of ignorance in this thread.
So your opinion is that the facts provided by a Sr leader at Johns Hopkins supported by research from Vanderbilt is inaccurate and ignorant nasef solely on the publisher. Ignorance ITT indeed
So what about the research teams at Johns Hopkins and Vanderbilt who recorded the data? Are they apart of the conspiracy? Why did Johns Hopkins stop doing the surgery they pioneered?What point are you trying to make? I can provide 100s of studies that refute a lot of what Paul McHugh says. He is a tiny, tiny minority on this issue. Are you familiar with Paul McHugh? Do you know his orthodox Catholic background? That he think homosexuality is a choice. That his has been openly anti-gay and anti-transgender for a long time. That he said homosexuality was the cause of the Catholic sex abuse scandal. Yeah this guy doesn't have an agenda at all. He's in his 80s. He is a fossil in that community and nearly everyone disagrees with him.
I'm still pretty sure you don't know the difference between transgender and transsexual.
Have you even read the one study he cites. It is over 40 years old and it clearly states that "no inferences can be drawn as to the effectiveness of sex reassignment". McHugh and yourself conveniently left that part out.So what about the research teams at Johns Hopkins and Vanderbilt who recorded the data? Are they apart of the conspiracy? Why did Johns Hopkins stop doing the surgery they pioneered?
How about we skip the blaming the source and go straight to the university itself....McHugh is known as "the doctor social conservatives depend on to justify anti-transgender hate". I'm not making that up.
I can post 15 studies right now that say McHugh is wrong. I can post 100 articles that debunk him.
It's time that the conservatives find some more "evidence" to justify the hate. Unfortunately for them it doesn't exist.
This article provide no new information to support your claim.How about we skip the blaming the source and go straight to the university itself....
http://m.hopkinsmedicine.org/hmn/W99/top.html
Did you really cite a blog post from a Christian blog to say this isn't an evangelical driven argument? Really?This one has international data included to further disprove your belief that this is an evangelical driven argument
http://str.typepad.com/weblog/2014/...assignment-surgeries-no-longer-does-them.html
You were crying about the source. This is Johns Hopkins psychiatric conclusion based on clinical studies. Not one man's opinionThis article provide no new information to support your claim.
And it doesn't provide any information. It just says what happened. It is an article, not a study.You were crying about the source. This is Johns Hopkins psychiatric conclusion based on clinical studies. Not one man's opinion
It states that the collective group of psychologists and the university that pioneered the surgery and studied it from its genesis pulled the plug on the surgical program. And in the text specifically refers to the condition as a disorder.And it doesn't provide any information. It just says what happened. It is an article, not a study.
That was over 40 years ago and all based on McHugh's recommendations which have since been debunked by many, many people.It states that the collective group of psychologists and the university that pioneered the surgery and studied it from its genesis pulled the plug on the surgical program. And in the text specifically refers to the condition as a disorder.