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My bad.
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(Pic from Memphis magazine in November 2013)
Will Ole Miss drop the Confederate flag
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My bad.
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(Pic from Memphis magazine in November 2013)
You want me to post 100 pics of the grove with no flags in sight? And again, you and the OP implied the university still used it. Not a few individual fans.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My bad.
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(Pic from Memphis magazine in November 2013)
If someone wants to burn an American flag it's their right. I wouldn't be shocked it they get their teeth knocked out for doing it. If someone wants to fly a rebel flag in public it's their right. I wouldn't be shocked if they get their teeth knocked out for doing it.
I understand how southerners can see the rebel flag as non racial and a symbol of their current Southern heritage. I understand how blacks and northerners can see the rebel flag as purely racist.
It would be wrong to ban burning the American flag even though I detest the act and think it garners a world class beat down. It would also be wrong to ban flying the rebel flag in public even though I detest what iy stands for globally and I think it garners a world class beat down.
Living in a free society is going to come with some people who are far less than respectful. They will have to live or die with the consequences of their actions. In fact their actions are what we use to determine our desire to either interact with them or leave them be. As long as there is freedom there will be people who take advantage of it. I am not willing to begin the slippery slope of reactionary governance overriding foundational freedoms.
The boy who killed those innocent people will face his judgement swiftly and rightfully so. That is the message we need to send. Symbols don't kill people, guns don't kill people, flags don't kill people, ..... sick easily manipulated disturbed people kill people. Let's identify the disturbed, get them help, and then maybe we will see less violence, murders, flags etc.
IMO the lack of proper parenting leads to the vast majority of crime. Let's start a war on broken homes, lack of self respect, and lack of common decencies.... see where that takes us. Dr King taught us that you can never gain another man's respect by tearing him down. If only we would all listen his words and simply see each other not by colors but by our deeds. Problem is many on all sides can't afford to be seen by their deeds.
I understand how southerners can see the rebel flag as non racial and a symbol of their current Southern heritage. I understand how blacks and northerners can see the rebel flag as purely racist.
It would be wrong to ban burning the American flag even though I detest the act and think it garners a world class beat down. It would also be wrong to ban flying the rebel flag in public even though I detest what iy stands for globally and I think it garners a world class beat down.
Living in a free society is going to come with some people who are far less than respectful. They will have to live or die with the consequences of their actions. In fact their actions are what we use to determine our desire to either interact with them or leave them be. As long as there is freedom there will be people who take advantage of it. I am not willing to begin the slippery slope of reactionary governance overriding foundational freedoms.
The boy who killed those innocent people will face his judgement swiftly and rightfully so. That is the message we need to send. Symbols don't kill people, guns don't kill people, flags don't kill people, ..... sick easily manipulated disturbed people kill people. Let's identify the disturbed, get them help, and then maybe we will see less violence, murders, flags etc.
IMO the lack of proper parenting leads to the vast majority of crime. Let's start a war on broken homes, lack of self respect, and lack of common decencies.... see where that takes us. Dr King taught us that you can never gain another man's respect by tearing him down. If only we would all listen his words and simply see each other not by colors but by our deeds. Problem is many on all sides can't afford to be seen by their deeds.
I have the best logic for South Carolina not flying the confederate flag at their capital: there is no confederacy any more. It doesn't exist. Why fly their flag because you were once part of it? The same logic holds for Great Britain. The colonies were part of GB once. So why don't they fly the Union Jack? Same logic. Why doesn't Texas still fly Mexico's flag? They used to be part of Mexico right, makes no sense to keep flying a defunct country's flag.
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Well said. I believe any human has the right to fly any flag they want on their personal property (truck, house etc.) but I don't believe the rebel flag should be on any state symbol or property. The state represents everyone.
It's not the flag... It's not the gun....It has more to do with the media than anything else. Our kids are growing up in a media world where the social media counts more than family or friends. It's not the guns and not the flag you sit and read my comment. Nuff said
I agree with you on guns. Humans have to pull the trigger. It's a people problem.
The band stopped playing Dixie for the Arkansas-Texas game of 1969 and from then on. Pretty sure the stars and bars were gone for that game as well.
Robert E. Lee Day has been a state holiday for decades. When the federal government made MLK Day a national holiday, it was close to the date of Lee's birthday, and the General Assembly passed a law combining the two holidays. Efforts this year to drop the Lee part of the holiday were met with protests from "Southern Heritage" boys, and it was dropped.
Also, Arkansas had its first black football player around that time, and it was thought maybe it would be a good idea to drop Dixie if we wanted to get black players to come to Arkansas.
The problem with banning symbols or speech as hate is that at some point a majority rule will inevitably take advantage of it. Like say the Nazis justification of their attempt to remove all existence of Jews on propaganda and lies along. Socialistic majority rule has always ended with the spilled blood of masses.
And the inability to regulate which humans are able to get those guns is a huge problem.
Yeah the good ole days before social media when it was all peace and love. No violence, racism or inequality back then.
We are in such a weird place as a country. Political correctness is out of control and you can be labeled a racist for saying anything that remotely offends anybody even if it is true. On the other hand real racism still exists and it has to be stamped out. Very confusing at times.
Not talking about banning. Talking about voluntarily removing from state supported structures, universities, etc.
If someone wants to fly the stars and bars, more power to them. Easier to identify the morons.
But states shouldn't fly adopted symbols of segregation. That gives the impression said state supports those ideas.
Yep, I grew up with a lot of race and more than you could probably mustard. Yep I owned a gun at a very young age and many more as I grew up. I know what the business end can do.. I can't watch the news today without a feeling of disgust. It thrives on shock and horror! Way too much hatred and NEVER heard more about racism than the last few (6-7 ) years. Politics and the media have turned ugly and we have many, many social weak minded people in our country. Let me end this conversation with this... I NEVER bought a gun with intentions other than hunting game. I never held my hand up on my heart to a flag without sincere honor for my country. The Rebel flag is part of our history and like it or not can not and will not be buried. There are more of guys and gals like me than there are ones that are glued to the media racism and hearts filled with hatred. It's not the gun and not the flags. We are in a world where many put more faith in google search than bible search.
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I agree. Paula Dean was destroyed for saying the N word. Is she a racist? I have no idea, but just saying that word doesn't necessarily make her one. While everyone was freaking out about that and other nonsense there was still a confederate flag flying over an F'ING state capital. People should be a little more outspoken in my opinion. Maybe if they were, it wouldn't take a mass murder to accomplish something as simple and obvious as not flying a symbol of racism over the capital.
I believe in background checks but a criminal is going to find a method for their violence.
Well as I stated earlier...
http://5newsonline.com/2015/06/23/s...e-song-rebel-mascot-at-southside-high-school/
http://5newsonline.com/2015/06/23/s...e-song-rebel-mascot-at-southside-high-school/
There are also a lot of people that use racism as a crutch for their own shortcomings so when someone is really experiencing racism you aren't sure if they are just crying wolf. Seems to be a lot of paranoia on both sides.
Well that just isn't the case in almost all of the modern world outside of the United States. A citizen of this country is 20 times more likely to die from gun violence as citizens from other civilized countries.
Over 30,000 people are killed in this country by guns every year. Over 80,000 are injured by gun violence.
You can go on and on with these statistics. So either the guns are a problem or Americans are just the shittiest, most violent people in the civilized world.
I appreciate your opinions on in state football players and how you are impartial about which state schools you support as a part of your journalistic integrity. However, it seems to me that you have a political interest in the arena of gun ownership that pervades both rivals subscriber's focus on sports and also your own journalistic impartiality, which you seem to value. As a paying subscriber, I encourage you to stick with your journalistic values and leave your personal opinions at home.
Thank you,
MC
The media sucks in this country. It's a business, not a public service. However, things are getting better in this country. I think any minority would tell you that. With social media and the 24 hour news cycle, everything is magnified. Incidents that we never would have heard of 10 years ago are a huge deal now. It can get ugly and it can be difficult to stomach at times, but I think it is an important part of the process. I don't believe that ignorance is ever the answer. The more information that is out there the better.
I think if we concentrated on solving poverty which leaves people feeling hopeless and leads to a life of crime the murder statistics would come down.
Or you could look at actual relevant information like places where they have made a major effort to eliminate gun violence. I imagine that no amount of statistical information or facts will change your mind on the issue though.
The price of one murder in this country is $441,000 in direct costs, 87% of which is paid by taxpayers. Each gun death averages about $6 million in total costs. Each gun injury requiring hospitalization costs about $600,000. The total cost of gun violence in this country is over $200 billion per year with direct costs alone of close to $10 billion. That comes out to over $700 per year per American in gun violence costs. This isn't just a gun issue.
Here are some interesting stats:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ate-drops-as-concealed-carry-gun-pe/?page=all
That article was using statistics from the first half of 2014. A quick look at first quarter 2015 statistics shows that Chicago shootings were up 40% and homicides were up 30%. Oops. I guess the old wild wild west approach didn't work out.
You touched on something that has bothered me about how we as a society deal with race/racists for quite some time now. I think the incident that really bugged me was the Donald Sterling incident. The man lost ownership of his team and had his name dragged through the mud for a private conversation in which he was recorded without his knowledge. There was nothing wrong with this legally speaking because the government were not the ones pursuing the actions against him. It was the NBA owners association and the media.
At the same time it started to come out that Sterling had followed discriminatory housing policies in the real estate he owned. This had been years earlier and yet it did not become widely known and criticized until Sterling was already on the way out. Unlike his comments, this was something that had a real negative impact on peoples lives. Resisting the renting out of homes and apartments to blacks and hispanics could effect their job prospects and prevent them from raising families in the neighborhoods they wanted to.
Luckily in this case we had someone who was racist in both word and deed. However it seems like in today's environment a person who doesn't act out racism but has a verbal slip or makes an off color remark can expect their career to be ended and their name besmirched. Meanwhile someone who acts out their racism through discriminatory policies can rest easy as long as they make sure not to create a soundbite that will played over and over again on TV.
Doesn't Chicago have some of the toughest gun laws in the country?
You completely missed the point. Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws in America, yet they have the highest gun crime rate/murder rate in America at the same time.
The flag was not made for racism it represented the confederate states in the civil war. It's ignorant people that made this flag look bad . If you're going to take this flag down then take down the American flag the KKK has been shown with that flag just as much the confederate but no one is screaming to take it down
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