Do you believe in ghosts or aliens?
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I stayed there once and was all hyped about seeing a ghost. I was really disappointed when nothing weird occurred.
I've seen something similar to that in the sky over lake ouachita. Sometimes the Navy trains out there around Ouachita, but the "Lights" I saw were way to quick and agile to be fighter planes.
I think there's a HUGE difference between life on another planet...and intelligent life. I'm positive we'll eventually find life on another planet...but intelligent life (aliens) is maybe 50/50.
If you want to know what was going on in Area 51 (at least stuff that has been declassified) I recommend reading this book.
Amazon product ASIN 0316202304As I said, this is just some of the stuff that was declassified by Clinton. It's funny you should mention X-Files, because I remember an episode or two that actually got really close to some of the stuff that was involved. I don't want to give anything away, but I'll try and give you an idea..
It basically all (well, not all, but the stuff everyone wants to know) started with the War of the Worlds incident. Then there was the Cold War, and our "need" for covert espionage. We got half of Germany's scientist, the other side got the other half. They needed a place to develop certain things, far enough away from people. It doesn't get to the "alien" stuff until the end. Its actually a very informative book. But, when you get to the stuff everyone thinks of when you hear Area 51.....
I deleted a lot from that "description," as well as, my thoughts and emotions on it. I really don't want to give anything away. Its worth a read. How many people do you know that can tell you what really happened in Roswell? And if you do know, don't ruin it for anyone who wants to read the book.
That's basically how I am on pretty much all things. For all we know we came from the flatulence of a giant space monkey. You can't prove we didn't. Until I have actual, undeniable proof in front of me, I will continue with my "who knows" approach to most things like that.
Went in it, and came back out!!! I actually just realized this about a month back. My family took a trip to the Bahamas when I was a kid, which is in the Bermuda Triangle.
Life outside of earth .... yes. Is it intelligent .... likely. Can it reach earth .... unlikely.
Ghosts or life after death ... absolutely not.
PS .... Kyle does the book you mention speak of Operation Paperclip?
Ghosts or life after death ... absolutely not.
PS .... Kyle does the book you mention speak of Operation Paperclip?
It's hard enough to find intelligent life...on this board.
Some of us have 2,3,4,5 lives on this board or personalities.
It has been years since I've read it, but I don't see how it didn't (again, I don't want to give anything away.) It covers a lot about the cold war, and has a lot to do with Operation Paperclip. I swear I remember reading that code name in it. Even if it doesn't name it, It certainly goes over it. Plus there's the fact that the same woman wrote this book....Amazon product ASIN 031622104X
The Milky Way is 100,000 light years across. So basically if you took off at the speed of light 2,000 years ago, intending to go from one point of our galaxy to the other, you'd be roughly done with 2% of your trip. It's beyond comprehension to imagine that kind of distance. And the Milky Way is one of billions and billions of galaxies. Just far to much real estate out there for there to be absoutely nothing alive....If it takes 100 years or a 1,000 (if humans survive that long) life elsewhere will eventually be found, just a matter of when Imo
Appears that I am just the opposite of most. Do not "believe" in aliens. I am sure I have encountered angels and demons, but unsure about whether ghosts exists. Enjoyed reading everyone's posts.
I agree on no alien life. I tell people it's mathematically impossible for there not to have been a master race of aliens that owned our planet at this point and people look at me cross eyed. The numbers are beyond our comprehension and virtually impossible that we don't have daily encounters with known aliens if they were to exist. The proof that man is the sole truly intelligent beings anywhere is found in the math itself. It is staggering, awesome, and humbling all at the same time. We're it folks.
As for ghosts I don't believe in ghosts as most people think of. I belueve that all of the dead shall rise and there may be more than one place a soul can go while waiting for that time. Paradise is the typical term used in the Bible and it infers Heaven but many times another term is used. We are told that Earth will be made new and God will walk among us. I don't care where I spend eternity with our father so long as I get to share in his love. Ghosts, spirits, who knows until you are dead yourself? We will all find out one day.
Your same math added to the fact of a Billion Billion older planets just like ours by billions of years suggest the exact opposite of your logic. With all of that out there and the sheer awesomeness in the number of what should be VASTLY superior races of life how are we still alone today? We should have been conquered, owned, sold, raided, etc a million times over...... yet there isn't even a peep. We are the single grain of sand in the ocean of our own galaxy of life inhibiting planets.
The idea that if there is life on other planets...it would be of the natural universe. I guess people who tend toward science would tend to believe in aliens and people who tend toward religion would believe more in ghosts. It's not hard to fathom how someone could believe one and completely dismiss the other.
Just as we have a life expectancy so would other civilizations. Until space time can be bent, if possible to bend, then the speed of light is the greatest constraint to all. Simple distance is the rule that all are bound by, whether terrestrial or not.
This, doesn't matter how advanced they are that doesn't mean they can bend space and create a worm hole or anything stupid like that.
I have never seen a ghost and dont know about aliens.....but I saw something when I was a teenager that I cannot explain. Was in "the area" in East Camden. Its literally the middle of nowhere and there are long straight crossroads. We came to an intersection and I looked to my left down a narrow road. Something walked out of the woods across the street. It paused and looked at us right before it crossed over into the woods. It was big and walking on two legs. Was not a bear. Have no clue what it was.....it wasnt in a hurry and wasnt scared of us. I swear....to this day....I can see that thing looking at me.
Given the technological and educational growth in our civilization over the past 200 years alone what would be the knowledge curve of a civilization billions of years older than ours? Considering scientists say man is only 200,000 years old from infancy to modern superior intelligence and that civilization itself is only 6,000 years old what would be the intelligence and capabilities of a civilization thay was roughly 5,000,000,000 years older than our own? That's a lot more zeros. And then realize that there should be over 100,000 civilizations of that rough age on life capable planets in our galaxy alone. And then consider there are virtually an immeasurable number of galaxies. Not a peep in the sky. Not even the sound of a sneeze. The technology wouldn't only be there but we should be the property of some race. Math tells us we should be in the middle of an alien super highway. Yet, nothing.... nada
Threads like this are interesting.....
Does anyone remember the mainboard "office chick" thread or the "gypsy thread".....both of those were "so mag".
Does anyone remember the mainboard "office chick" thread or the "gypsy thread".....both of those were "so mag".
Math doesn't say that at all...nothing can make distance shorter. Why would there ever be a super highway for creatures to spend generations (surviving on a ship) traveling....the likely hood of any civilization surviving for billions of years is slim to none anyway. The inner galaxy of most galaxies is not very habitable due to overcrowding. I don't think people really understand A. How much of a hurdle that distance really is. B. Even if the could make it here...they would have to point in the right direction and get a billion times luckier then a power ball winner.
The billions of years would not be used for travel. It would be used for intellectual growth. Virtually everything we know of science has come from the past 200 to 500 years. With the largest segment of growth in the past 50 years. What will we know, what power will we harness, what discoveries will be found in the next 3 billion years from now? Something tells me that time gap will be bridged much easier than you think. The human race (if still alive) in 3 billion years will likely be a being that we cannot fathom with our current intelligence. Yes we should be surrounded by alien life right now. But we are not.
There is more energy than we can fathom that wakes us up every morning when the sun rises. We are surrounded by a countless number of stars. Most srars are vastly bigger than our own sun. A technology thay can harness that power is almost limitless. One-hundred thousand life supporting planets should have intelligent life colonies at least one billion years older than our own civilizations in our galaxy alone. To think that we are the first or the most advanced is mathematically incomprehensible.
One of those colonies, no thousands of colonies, should have a super intelligence that would make our intelligence seem like that of a single cell organism. All in just our galaxy
I witnessed something that I can not explain. It was nothing very scary or terrifying but I still can not explain what happened to this day. Anyway, I had this buddy that lived in this older house that was tucked back into the woods on the outskirts of my home town. Many times when I was over at his house the lights would dim, the TV would change channels (going to the channels that nothing but the fuzzy, black and white snow is on), and his home entertainment stereo would turn off and on and drop in volume then go back up. It was kind of like the stuff that happened in the movie Poltergeist.
I always thought that all of this had something to do with some kind of electricity short in his home wiring or something as I never really believed in spirits or ghost. My buddy, however, always said that it was the old woman who had apparently lived there before his family moved into the house. So, anyway, I was over there one night and all this stuff starts happening again with the TV changing the channel and what not. I got up and walked over to the TV to turn it off and start it again because we were trying to watch some game that was on that night. When I got close to the entertainment system some cds that he had on top of it shot directly off into the floor in front of me like someone had took their hand and knocked them off. When I say they shot off it was like someone had swiped their hand over the top of them propelling them into the floor at least five feet from the entertainment system. After that I turned to my buddy and said "Did you just see that?" He said "Yeah it was the old lady. She's pissed that we're in here hanging out!"
To this day I can not really explain what I witnessed in his house. I never saw a ghost there or anything like that, but he claimed to have seen some apparitions on and around the property before. I wasn't scared by the cd's being shot out into the floor in front of me or anything. I think we got the tv working again and just went right back to watching the game.
I always thought that all of this had something to do with some kind of electricity short in his home wiring or something as I never really believed in spirits or ghost. My buddy, however, always said that it was the old woman who had apparently lived there before his family moved into the house. So, anyway, I was over there one night and all this stuff starts happening again with the TV changing the channel and what not. I got up and walked over to the TV to turn it off and start it again because we were trying to watch some game that was on that night. When I got close to the entertainment system some cds that he had on top of it shot directly off into the floor in front of me like someone had took their hand and knocked them off. When I say they shot off it was like someone had swiped their hand over the top of them propelling them into the floor at least five feet from the entertainment system. After that I turned to my buddy and said "Did you just see that?" He said "Yeah it was the old lady. She's pissed that we're in here hanging out!"
To this day I can not really explain what I witnessed in his house. I never saw a ghost there or anything like that, but he claimed to have seen some apparitions on and around the property before. I wasn't scared by the cd's being shot out into the floor in front of me or anything. I think we got the tv working again and just went right back to watching the game.
This is why I started this thread. Love stories like this, thanks for posting!
It was a weird experience! Especially, for one thing, up until that point in my life I thought ghost were a bunch of B.S. That whole experience definitely made me reconsider a lot about life and what happens after we die. I often wonder if it wasn't something kind of demonic. My buddy (who passed away some years ago at an early age) did a lot of drugs and drank pretty heavily. He lived there with his wife and young daughter. He would fight with his wife a lot and their marriage was really unstable. They ended up getting divorced and he died about two years after that. Makes me wonder what it really was in the house with the fighting, drugs. and alcohol...there was a lot of negative energy happening.
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Are you suggesting that we, the human race at its current stage, is using almost all of the energy the universe has to offer?
As for distance being a factor.... the galaxy is approximately 100,000 light years across. If a probe could travel just 1/10th the speed of light, every planet in the galaxy could be colonized within just a couple of million of years (allowing some time for the bootstrapping process that needs to take place between a probe’s landing on a resource site, setting up the necessary infrastructure, and producing daughter probes). If travel speed were limited to 1% of light speed, colonization might take twenty million years instead. The exact numbers do not matter much because they are at any rate very short compared to the astronomical time scales involved in the evolution of intelligent life from scratch (billions of years).
I've got a good story that still gives me chills. My mother passed away in '06 at the age of 53 from cancer. She lived in the house I currently live in. I've had too many experiences that prove, in my mind, that she is still with me. 2 stick out to me the most so I'll share them
The first was a couple years after she had died, I was having wierd occurrences almost nightly. It seemed to be more frequent during the time from her passing to her birthday (about a 2 month period) and has happened every year I have lived here. I'm actually in that period now and I have been awoken from a sound sleep twice in the last 5 days with no explanation. To put that in context, my neighbors house burned down and scorched my house, even caught the shingles on fire and melted my siding, and I was awoken by some firefighters. I sleep like a rock. Anyways, I had been to the grocery store and I came home. As soon as I walked in the house my eyes began to burn like crazy. IT took me a second to realize I was smelling a strong aroma of ben-gay. I asked my girlfriend at the time if she smelled anything, and she smelled it as well. It was so strong we had to open the house up, it was as if I smeared ben-gay over all the furniture in the house. The last few months of my mom's life were very hard on her, and she spent most of her time lying on the couch and used ben-gay for the back pain she experienced from the cancer. I often got that same eye burning sensation when I would visit her. Still gives me chills thinking about that day, but she was there with me, I have no doubts.
The 2nd one was even more alarming to me, and in fact, proved what I had known all along. I got married 3 years ago and my wife had a 2 year old from a previous marriage. I often expected this beautiful little girl had an uncanny ability to see things. I would often catch her turning her head during a conversation, and staring into rooms and down hallways as if she had seen something. 1 day while driving her home from kindergarten last year, I finally got her to talk about these things. I would often hear her at night talking in her room, like really talking, and it always creeped me out. I'd tell her to go to sleep and she would always reply, so I'm pretty sure she wasn't asleep. She told me on this day that she couldn't wait to get home to play with her friends, and I reminded her that her friends next door couldn't come play until she studied her spelling words. She then said "I'm not talking about those friends, dad, I'm talking about my other friends." When I asked her what she meant she said " my friends you can't see". I immediately changed the subject because it freaked me out a little. All that can be attributed to a child's overactive imagination I realize, but that's not where it ended. About 6 months ago my wife found an old album my mom had. I had seen the picture album many times when I was younger but I hadn't seen it in many, many years and didn't know it was in my house. My wife had found it stuck in the back of the laundry room cabinets one day while I was at work. While setting down to look through the pictures, my daughter sat in my lap and was looking through them with me. We got to a picture of my mom from before I was born and my daughter pointed her out and said, that's your mommy with a big smile on her face. When I asked her what made her so sure that was my mom, she said " because she talks to me and she is real nice. She tells me she loves me at night". I nearly broke down, and in fact I still get chills thinking about it. I've got goosebumps just typing this out. My daughter was born 3 years after my mother passed. My mother never even met my wife and to my knowledge there were no pictures my daughter could have seen. I rarely even speak about my mother. I'm a firm believer.
The first was a couple years after she had died, I was having wierd occurrences almost nightly. It seemed to be more frequent during the time from her passing to her birthday (about a 2 month period) and has happened every year I have lived here. I'm actually in that period now and I have been awoken from a sound sleep twice in the last 5 days with no explanation. To put that in context, my neighbors house burned down and scorched my house, even caught the shingles on fire and melted my siding, and I was awoken by some firefighters. I sleep like a rock. Anyways, I had been to the grocery store and I came home. As soon as I walked in the house my eyes began to burn like crazy. IT took me a second to realize I was smelling a strong aroma of ben-gay. I asked my girlfriend at the time if she smelled anything, and she smelled it as well. It was so strong we had to open the house up, it was as if I smeared ben-gay over all the furniture in the house. The last few months of my mom's life were very hard on her, and she spent most of her time lying on the couch and used ben-gay for the back pain she experienced from the cancer. I often got that same eye burning sensation when I would visit her. Still gives me chills thinking about that day, but she was there with me, I have no doubts.
The 2nd one was even more alarming to me, and in fact, proved what I had known all along. I got married 3 years ago and my wife had a 2 year old from a previous marriage. I often expected this beautiful little girl had an uncanny ability to see things. I would often catch her turning her head during a conversation, and staring into rooms and down hallways as if she had seen something. 1 day while driving her home from kindergarten last year, I finally got her to talk about these things. I would often hear her at night talking in her room, like really talking, and it always creeped me out. I'd tell her to go to sleep and she would always reply, so I'm pretty sure she wasn't asleep. She told me on this day that she couldn't wait to get home to play with her friends, and I reminded her that her friends next door couldn't come play until she studied her spelling words. She then said "I'm not talking about those friends, dad, I'm talking about my other friends." When I asked her what she meant she said " my friends you can't see". I immediately changed the subject because it freaked me out a little. All that can be attributed to a child's overactive imagination I realize, but that's not where it ended. About 6 months ago my wife found an old album my mom had. I had seen the picture album many times when I was younger but I hadn't seen it in many, many years and didn't know it was in my house. My wife had found it stuck in the back of the laundry room cabinets one day while I was at work. While setting down to look through the pictures, my daughter sat in my lap and was looking through them with me. We got to a picture of my mom from before I was born and my daughter pointed her out and said, that's your mommy with a big smile on her face. When I asked her what made her so sure that was my mom, she said " because she talks to me and she is real nice. She tells me she loves me at night". I nearly broke down, and in fact I still get chills thinking about it. I've got goosebumps just typing this out. My daughter was born 3 years after my mother passed. My mother never even met my wife and to my knowledge there were no pictures my daughter could have seen. I rarely even speak about my mother. I'm a firm believer.
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