Jason Collins

[DMitch3520]

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by Hogswell Hogs:
Good for him.

Not picking on you in particular, but why is it good for him? Why is it my business, your business, or anything for public consumption at all?

77777 - you are too predictable.

Following the Boston Marathon, you get on here and argue that all muslims are either terrorists or support terrorists.

Fast-forward to today, Jason Collins becomes the first male professional athlete to come out of the closet, and, of course, you are are here arguing that he should just be quiet and keep it to himself.

Very impressive world-view; you should be proud.

 

[DMitch3520]

Originally posted by pokerpig:
So a guy admits he's a homosexual and it's a big story. LOL. If those folks are so proud of being homosexual why do they want to be called "gay", when most are anything but? Waiting for those who practice incest to come "out of the closet" and demand their rights, of course we would have to call them "Family Men or Family women", I mean who could be against that? Actually those who practice beastiality should be having parades and declaring their right to marry their pet, of course we couldn't use the term "beastiality" but we could call them "Animal Lovers" I mean who could be against that. No difference between homosexuality and incest at all, I mean if your daughter or son is of age, it's two consenting adults engaging in what most conside a depraved or perverted lifestyle. People have the right to practice any form of perversion they choose, but shouldn't be upset if others don't act like it's "normal" behavior. And before you jump on me for my right to voice my opinion, ask yourself which persersions you accept and which you don't, then explain why.

Comparing homosexuals to incest or beastiality? Umm, ok. Lost cause here folks.

 

[gbbaber]

Originally posted by pokerpig:
So a guy admits he's a homosexual and it's a big story. LOL. If those folks are so proud of being homosexual why do they want to be called "gay", when most are anything but? Waiting for those who practice incest to come "out of the closet" and demand their rights, of course we would have to call them "Family Men or Family women", I mean who could be against that? Actually those who practice beastiality should be having parades and declaring their right to marry their pet, of course we couldn't use the term "beastiality" but we could call them "Animal Lovers" I mean who could be against that. No difference between homosexuality and incest at all, I mean if your daughter or son is of age, it's two consenting adults engaging in what most conside a depraved or perverted lifestyle. People have the right to practice any form of perversion they choose, but shouldn't be upset if others don't act like it's "normal" behavior. And before you jump on me for my right to voice my opinion, ask yourself which persersions you accept and which you don't, then explain why.

Hey look everyone! A bigot! No wonder you don't like Mike Anderson. If you give a bigot enough rope to hang himself with he'll do it every time. Congratulations, pokerpig! You're the most egregious bigot on a Razorback message board. That's saying something. Now quick, go teach your kids to be hate-mongers, too.

Pussy.

 

[BOSSHOGFREE]

Originally posted by jdlee23:

Originally posted by BOSSHOGFREE:

Originally posted by WMFC:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by Hogswell Hogs:
Good for him.

Not picking on you in particular, but why is it good for him? Why is it my business, your business, or anything for public consumption at all?

It's a pretty major thing man. Even though it is 2013, a lot of people act like it is 1910...

Have to agree with rsrbk777. If we truly want a tolerate society then were going to have to stop making massive issues out of the small steps. It should be a blip on the radar so to speak. The loud beating of the drum only works to spark more public push back. Only when something goes unnoticed or causes very little peak of interest will it truly be on equal footing in a public setting. For example in the big 3 pro American sports NBA,NFL, MLB only baseball still has a majority of White players. As there are fewer and fewer references to race in sports it becomes acceptable to all... as it should. IMO the less we make of changes the easier they are to be integrated. The louder the announcement the greater the push back. Its like being in a bar and someone bumps into you and you spill your drink. If you act cool then no harm no foul we all have fun. However if you choose to blow it up we just might have a bar fight on our hands.

If he was the 100th pro athlete to come out of the closet this year and people were making a big deal of it then I would understand your reasoning, but he's the very first, so... it's a big deal. As Collins said, he wishes someone had done it a long time ago, but they haven't.

Its only a big deal because people are making it a big deal. Will there be any more or less gay athletes because of this? Only in their public viewing not in their home lives. If people are making a big deal of it its because they either have an issue with it or have an agends to push. Again if youre one of thepthepeople blowing this up from one side or the other then you are perpetuating the problem. Acceptance is the lack of pointing out others differences while respecting them as a person. Our differences only make us stronger when we stop looking at them as differences but merely experiences. The more people praise differences the less likely we will see each other as the same. It is a complete failure of the fundamental beliefs of the current social movement. You cant expect the populous to see you as peer if you are currently reminding them of your difference from them.

 

[BOSSHOGFREE]

Originally posted by Mrs.Whiskey:
he's made a difficult move in a profession that has not publicly dealt with it before. it's a big deal because some gay people have to hide that, lie in social situations so they aren't found out. because of fear. fear of being let go from their job, fear from gay bashing...

it is 2013 and just like WMFC posted, there are people who act like they are living in pre- civil rights era. toward gays, other races, other religions, & the list goes on.

he's not looking for those people to approve of him or even know what goes on in his privacy. he's setting an example for his community so someday it won't be a news story

There are federal laws against auch actions. The fear is real but so are the consequences for those who prey upon that fear.

 

[gbbaber]

Originally posted by BOSSHOGFREE:

Originally posted by jdlee23:

Originally posted by BOSSHOGFREE:

Originally posted by WMFC:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by Hogswell Hogs:
Good for him.

Not picking on you in particular, but why is it good for him? Why is it my business, your business, or anything for public consumption at all?

It's a pretty major thing man. Even though it is 2013, a lot of people act like it is 1910...

Have to agree with rsrbk777. If we truly want a tolerate society then were going to have to stop making massive issues out of the small steps. It should be a blip on the radar so to speak. The loud beating of the drum only works to spark more public push back. Only when something goes unnoticed or causes very little peak of interest will it truly be on equal footing in a public setting. For example in the big 3 pro American sports NBA,NFL, MLB only baseball still has a majority of White players. As there are fewer and fewer references to race in sports it becomes acceptable to all... as it should. IMO the less we make of changes the easier they are to be integrated. The louder the announcement the greater the push back. Its like being in a bar and someone bumps into you and you spill your drink. If you act cool then no harm no foul we all have fun. However if you choose to blow it up we just might have a bar fight on our hands.

If he was the 100th pro athlete to come out of the closet this year and people were making a big deal of it then I would understand your reasoning, but he's the very first, so... it's a big deal. As Collins said, he wishes someone had done it a long time ago, but they haven't.

Its only a big deal because people are making it a big deal. Will there be any more or less gay athletes because of this? Only in their public viewing not in their home lives. If people are making a big deal of it its because they either have an issue with it or have an agends to push. Again if youre one of thepthepeople blowing this up from one side or the other then you are perpetuating the problem. Acceptance is the lack of pointing out others differences while respecting them as a person. Our differences only make us stronger when we stop looking at them as differences but merely experiences. The more people praise differences the less likely we will see each other as the same. It is a complete failure of the fundamental beliefs of the current social movement. You cant expect the populous to see you as peer if you are currently reminding them of your difference from them.

Robbie Rogers, a guy who played for the national team, quit soccer because he is gay and doesn't want to deal with all the hate. If you can't see how gay role models might help other young men going through the same struggles then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Mrs.Whiskey]

bosshog- you know i have love in my heart for you, but i don't follow you when you say our differences make us stronger but then you say we are all the same. i'm not trying to debate if being gay is right or wrong, should be accepted or not accepted. what i'm saying is this- if we can read stories about athletes and their cribs or their cars, or the millions they made on draft day, why can't we talk about them as a group of people that are just now getting rights that most of us were born into?

This post was edited on 4/29 1:56 PM by Mrs.Whiskey

 

[japierce]

I

Originally posted by pokerpig:
So a guy admits he's a homosexual and it's a big story. LOL. If those folks are so proud of being homosexual why do they want to be called "gay", when most are anything but? Waiting for those who practice incest to come "out of the closet" and demand their rights, of course we would have to call them "Family Men or Family women", I mean who could be against that? Actually those who practice beastiality should be having parades and declaring their right to marry their pet, of course we couldn't use the term "beastiality" but we could call them "Animal Lovers" I mean who could be against that. No difference between homosexuality and incest at all, I mean if your daughter or son is of age, it's two consenting adults engaging in what most conside a depraved or perverted lifestyle. People have the right to practice any form of perversion they choose, but shouldn't be upset if others don't act like it's "normal" behavior. And before you jump on me for my right to voice my opinion, ask yourself which persersions you accept and which you don't, then explain why.

Really? So tell me this bro, when did you decide to be a "heterosexual"? You are aware that homosexuality as a phenomenon has been documented since the beginning time and across many species of animals...are they all perverted as well? I'm interested to hear your thoughts...by the way I'm not judging you, you are entitled to believe as you wish, I am curious as to how you arrive at this position, hence my questions.

 

[BOSSHOGFREE]

Originally posted by gbbaber:

Originally posted by BOSSHOGFREE:

Originally posted by jdlee23:

Originally posted by BOSSHOGFREE:

Originally posted by WMFC:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by Hogswell Hogs:
Good for him.

Not picking on you in particular, but why is it good for him? Why is it my business, your business, or anything for public consumption at all?

It's a pretty major thing man. Even though it is 2013, a lot of people act like it is 1910...

Have to agree with rsrbk777. If we truly want a tolerate society then were going to have to stop making massive issues out of the small steps. It should be a blip on the radar so to speak. The loud beating of the drum only works to spark more public push back. Only when something goes unnoticed or causes very little peak of interest will it truly be on equal footing in a public setting. For example in the big 3 pro American sports NBA,NFL, MLB only baseball still has a majority of White players. As there are fewer and fewer references to race in sports it becomes acceptable to all... as it should. IMO the less we make of changes the easier they are to be integrated. The louder the announcement the greater the push back. Its like being in a bar and someone bumps into you and you spill your drink. If you act cool then no harm no foul we all have fun. However if you choose to blow it up we just might have a bar fight on our hands.

If he was the 100th pro athlete to come out of the closet this year and people were making a big deal of it then I would understand your reasoning, but he's the very first, so... it's a big deal. As Collins said, he wishes someone had done it a long time ago, but they haven't.

Its only a big deal because people are making it a big deal. Will there be any more or less gay athletes because of this? Only in their public viewing not in their home lives. If people are making a big deal of it its because they either have an issue with it or have an agends to push. Again if youre one of thepthepeople blowing this up from one side or the other then you are perpetuating the problem. Acceptance is the lack of pointing out others differences while respecting them as a person. Our differences only make us stronger when we stop looking at them as differences but merely experiences. The more people praise differences the less likely we will see each other as the same. It is a complete failure of the fundamental beliefs of the current social movement. You cant expect the populous to see you as peer if you are currently reminding them of your difference from them.

Robbie Rogers, a guy who played for the national team, quit soccer because he is gay and doesn't want to deal with all the hate. If you can't see how gay role models might help other young men going through the same struggles then I don't know what to tell you.

You dont have to tell me anything. I see it pretty clearly. There are rather large GLBT communities in every major city now. I think you have me pegged as something Im not. Im simply saying the media for the most part play the American public like a fiddle. Otherwise why are we having this discussion?
So far Collins himself isnt the one trumping this up but simply saying Im gay. One man saying he is gay should spark no interest..... that is if we truly want to be tolerant. The real question shoukld be .... why is it our business to know?

 

[479deerhunter]

The reverend Billie Graham said many , many times that being gay was wrong. Are we going to believe Billie Graham or the
3 to 4% micro social group? Or the Bible? I don"t think there is much room for error.

 

[BOSSHOGFREE]

Originally posted by Mrs.Whiskey:
bosshog- you know i have love in my heart for you, but i don't follow you when you say our differences make us stronger but then you say we are all the same. i'm not trying to debate if being gay is right or wrong, should be accepted or not accepted. what i'm saying is this- if we can read stories about athletes and their cribs or their cars, or the millions they made on draft day, why can't we talk about them as a group of people that are just now getting rights that most of us were born into?

This post was edited on 4/29 1:56 PM by Mrs.Whiskey

Because I believe the more we label people the more we distance ourselves from each other. The more people label themselves the more they remove themsleves from the possiblity of tolerance. You are saying I am different from you. We are not the same. I must be treated differently. Why does anyone care who is gay, where they are from, how they were raised, what they believe? We need to stop saying were different. Were all Americans. THAT is tollerance. A rich man is no better then me. I am no better then a poor man. A person of a minority background is no better then me. I am no better then them. So why are we not trying to elimnate the pointing out of our "differences" ? IMO we are only perpetuating the rifts that have existed.

 

[hogatexan]

Originally posted by BOSSHOGFREE:

Originally posted by Mrs.Whiskey:
he's made a difficult move in a profession that has not publicly dealt with it before. it's a big deal because some gay people have to hide that, lie in social situations so they aren't found out. because of fear. fear of being let go from their job, fear from gay bashing...

it is 2013 and just like WMFC posted, there are people who act like they are living in pre- civil rights era. toward gays, other races, other religions, & the list goes on.

he's not looking for those people to approve of him or even know what goes on in his privacy. he's setting an example for his community so someday it won't be a news story

There are federal laws against auch actions. The fear is real but so are the consequences for those who prey upon that fear.

Now BOSS you are a smart man.... you should know just as well as anyone that those laws are VERY hard to prove... If one is discriminated against at work it is very hard to prove....... so saying there are federal laws against it is good, knowing that that is a crap shoot at best to be prosecuted is a whole different story.... It is easy for a white non-homosexual male to say that there are federal laws against discrimination and really think that they work.... that is naive to think that those laws are really effective.

 

[gbbaber]

Originally posted by BOSSHOGFREE:

Originally posted by gbbaber:

Originally posted by BOSSHOGFREE:

Originally posted by jdlee23:

Originally posted by BOSSHOGFREE:

Originally posted by WMFC:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by Hogswell Hogs:
Good for him.

Not picking on you in particular, but why is it good for him? Why is it my business, your business, or anything for public consumption at all?

It's a pretty major thing man. Even though it is 2013, a lot of people act like it is 1910...

Have to agree with rsrbk777. If we truly want a tolerate society then were going to have to stop making massive issues out of the small steps. It should be a blip on the radar so to speak. The loud beating of the drum only works to spark more public push back. Only when something goes unnoticed or causes very little peak of interest will it truly be on equal footing in a public setting. For example in the big 3 pro American sports NBA,NFL, MLB only baseball still has a majority of White players. As there are fewer and fewer references to race in sports it becomes acceptable to all... as it should. IMO the less we make of changes the easier they are to be integrated. The louder the announcement the greater the push back. Its like being in a bar and someone bumps into you and you spill your drink. If you act cool then no harm no foul we all have fun. However if you choose to blow it up we just might have a bar fight on our hands.

If he was the 100th pro athlete to come out of the closet this year and people were making a big deal of it then I would understand your reasoning, but he's the very first, so... it's a big deal. As Collins said, he wishes someone had done it a long time ago, but they haven't.

Its only a big deal because people are making it a big deal. Will there be any more or less gay athletes because of this? Only in their public viewing not in their home lives. If people are making a big deal of it its because they either have an issue with it or have an agends to push. Again if youre one of thepthepeople blowing this up from one side or the other then you are perpetuating the problem. Acceptance is the lack of pointing out others differences while respecting them as a person. Our differences only make us stronger when we stop looking at them as differences but merely experiences. The more people praise differences the less likely we will see each other as the same. It is a complete failure of the fundamental beliefs of the current social movement. You cant expect the populous to see you as peer if you are currently reminding them of your difference from them.

Robbie Rogers, a guy who played for the national team, quit soccer because he is gay and doesn't want to deal with all the hate. If you can't see how gay role models might help other young men going through the same struggles then I don't know what to tell you.

You dont have to tell me anything. I see it pretty clearly. There are rather large GLBT communities in every major city now. I think you have me pegged as something Im not. Im simply saying the media for the most part play the American public like a fiddle. Otherwise why are we having this discussion?
So far Collins himself isnt the one trumping this up but simply saying Im gay. One man saying he is gay should spark no interest..... that is if we truly want to be tolerant. The real question shoukld be .... why is it our business to know?

I think someone earlier in this thread said it best when they said something to the effect of "if this was the 100th guy to come out and it was still this big a deal, then I'd totally agree." The thing is, people want to act like this is no big deal, like nothing to see here, nobody cares about gay people, why do we have to make a big deal out of it...but it is a big deal. Gay people have been cast out of American society from the very beginning, and now that the ball is starting to roll there way a little bit people like yourself begrudge them at every turn.

I think I'm really just having trouble understanding your stance here. You don't disagree with me that it's a good thing for young gay people to have someone who is older than them and who has been through the same things to come out and say it's OK to be that way, you can still follow your dreams, you don't have to fit into the stereotype, but you also want them to just keep their mouths shut? If you look at it as such a non-issue, why are you so up at arms about a gay basketball player making his feelings known? Why post in this thread at all?

 

[NEastArkie]

Originally posted by BOSSHOGFREE:

You dont have to tell me anything. I see it pretty clearly. There are rather large GLBT communities in every major city now. I think you have me pegged as something Im not. Im simply saying the media for the most part play the American public like a fiddle. Otherwise why are we having this discussion?
So far Collins himself isnt the one trumping this up but simply saying Im gay. One man saying he is gay should spark no interest..... that is if we truly want to be tolerant. The real question shoukld be .... why is it our business to know?

It's only our business because he told us, but that's not what this is about. The reason his actions are courageous is that gay people are bullied & hated. By coming out of the closet he's taking a step toward making life just a little bit easier for others. The reason it's newsworthy is that no one in a major sport has ever done it before. I don't want to hear about his sex life, but he isn't describing that. He's simply telling us about himself. If some gay boy or girl (or man or woman) can feel a bit better about himself/herself because Collins has revealed himself to be gay, I'd say that's a good thing.

You can talk all day about being tolerant of him. Perhaps you are. But surely you recognize how difficult life is for GLBT people due to intolerance & hatred from others.

 

[hogatexan]

Originally posted by BOSSHOGFREE:

Originally posted by Mrs.Whiskey:
bosshog- you know i have love in my heart for you, but i don't follow you when you say our differences make us stronger but then you say we are all the same. i'm not trying to debate if being gay is right or wrong, should be accepted or not accepted. what i'm saying is this- if we can read stories about athletes and their cribs or their cars, or the millions they made on draft day, why can't we talk about them as a group of people that are just now getting rights that most of us were born into?

This post was edited on 4/29 1:56 PM by Mrs.Whiskey

Because I believe the more we label people the more we distance ourselves from each other. The more people label themselves the more they remove themsleves from the possiblity of tolerance. You are saying I am different from you. We are not the same. I must be treated differently. Why does anyone care who is gay, where they are from, how they were raised, what they believe? We need to stop saying were different. Were all Americans. THAT is tollerance. A rich man is no better then me. I am no better then a poor man. A person of a minority background is no better then me. I am no better then them. So why are we not trying to elimnate the pointing out of our "differences" ? IMO we are only perpetuating the rifts that have existed.

I agree with you on that point.... but that is not the real world... that would be great if this is how all people felt but it is not and not everyone is treated equal. That is the point.

 

[Mrs.Whiskey]

Originally posted by BOSSHOGFREE:

Because I believe the more we label people the more we distance ourselves from each other. The more people label themselves the more they remove themsleves from the possiblity of tolerance. You are saying I am different from you. We are not the same. I must be treated differently. Why does anyone care who is gay, where they are from, how they were raised, what they believe? We need to stop saying were different. Were all Americans. THAT is tollerance. A rich man is no better then me. I am no better then a poor man. A person of a minority background is no better then me. I am no better then them. So why are we not trying to elimnate the pointing out of our "differences" ? IMO we are only perpetuating the rifts that have existed.

i think i understand your point now. and it would actually be a better world if your point was what really happens.

unfortunately, people are treated differently based on our differences. sometimes in a good way though. but it's through life experiences, knowledge and communication that bridge the gap in how different we are treated. does that make sense?

 

[pokerpig]

I believe I said they have the right to do as they please, but I have the right to consider it as depraved behavior. You didn't answer my question, why would incest be any different as long as it's between two consenting adults. As usual those who don't consider homosexuality as depraved behavior can't come up with a good argument as to why, they just attack those who disagree. Bigot? Where the hell does that come from? Is MA a homosexual? Or because I don't think he's a great recruiter or a great teacher of fundamental BB you assume I "HATE" him? Just what I would expect from someone who diagrees with someone elses opinion, but can't come up with a logical reason to support their own point of view. Show me ONE post by me where I stated I hate MA. Or tell me why you think homosexuality is not a perverted lifestyle, then tell me why you wouldn't champion incest in the same way. I've never treated a homosexual any different than anyone else, if I like them as a person then I like them, if I don't like them as a person, then I don't like them. Same thing goes for straight folks.

 

[japierce]

Originally posted by 479deerhunter:

The reverend Billie Graham said many , many times that being gay was wrong. Are we going to believe Billie Graham or the
3 to 4% micro social group? Or the Bible? I don"t think there is much room for error.

I respect Billy Graham, and I have no problem with him expressing his view, it's his right and responsibility. That being said, it's not my business, and I'm not trying to judge anybody. I try to respect people and their respective views, this country was founded by people who sacraficed more than I could possibly fathom, so that people could believe/worship/or not worship how they see fit.

 

[jdlee23]

Originally posted by BOSSHOGFREE:

Originally posted by gbbaber:

Originally posted by BOSSHOGFREE:

Originally posted by jdlee23:

Originally posted by BOSSHOGFREE:

Originally posted by WMFC:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by Hogswell Hogs:
Good for him.

Not picking on you in particular, but why is it good for him? Why is it my business, your business, or anything for public consumption at all?

It's a pretty major thing man. Even though it is 2013, a lot of people act like it is 1910...

Have to agree with rsrbk777. If we truly want a tolerate society then were going to have to stop making massive issues out of the small steps. It should be a blip on the radar so to speak. The loud beating of the drum only works to spark more public push back. Only when something goes unnoticed or causes very little peak of interest will it truly be on equal footing in a public setting. For example in the big 3 pro American sports NBA,NFL, MLB only baseball still has a majority of White players. As there are fewer and fewer references to race in sports it becomes acceptable to all... as it should. IMO the less we make of changes the easier they are to be integrated. The louder the announcement the greater the push back. Its like being in a bar and someone bumps into you and you spill your drink. If you act cool then no harm no foul we all have fun. However if you choose to blow it up we just might have a bar fight on our hands.

If he was the 100th pro athlete to come out of the closet this year and people were making a big deal of it then I would understand your reasoning, but he's the very first, so... it's a big deal. As Collins said, he wishes someone had done it a long time ago, but they haven't.

Its only a big deal because people are making it a big deal. Will there be any more or less gay athletes because of this? Only in their public viewing not in their home lives. If people are making a big deal of it its because they either have an issue with it or have an agends to push. Again if youre one of thepthepeople blowing this up from one side or the other then you are perpetuating the problem. Acceptance is the lack of pointing out others differences while respecting them as a person. Our differences only make us stronger when we stop looking at them as differences but merely experiences. The more people praise differences the less likely we will see each other as the same. It is a complete failure of the fundamental beliefs of the current social movement. You cant expect the populous to see you as peer if you are currently reminding them of your difference from them.

Robbie Rogers, a guy who played for the national team, quit soccer because he is gay and doesn't want to deal with all the hate. If you can't see how gay role models might help other young men going through the same struggles then I don't know what to tell you.

You dont have to tell me anything. I see it pretty clearly. There are rather large GLBT communities in every major city now. I think you have me pegged as something Im not. Im simply saying the media for the most part play the American public like a fiddle. Otherwise why are we having this discussion?
So far Collins himself isnt the one trumping this up but simply saying Im gay. One man saying he is gay should spark no interest..... that is if we truly want to be tolerant. The real question shoukld be .... why is it our business to know?

He isn't doing it so you and I can know. There are many homosexuals in professional sports who are scared to come out of the closet because of the fear of repercussions, both socially and professionally. He is trying to take a small step to pave the way for more to follow.

I think what some of you are failing to do is put yourself in the shoes of a closeted homosexual in a hyper macho environment such as a professional sports locker room. These people are absolutely having to pretend to be something they are not. Stop and consider what that does to an individual over time.

Of course, it's very telling that he does this at the age of 34 after
his season is over. Will he ever even play again? I wouldn't be
surprised if the answer is no.

 

[BluffHawg]

This looks like an excellent thread for the "Grim Bottom"........There are the board moderators when you need them?

 

[BOSSHOGFREE]

Originally posted by gbbaber:

Originally posted by BOSSHOGFREE:

Originally posted by gbbaber:

Originally posted by BOSSHOGFREE:

Originally posted by jdlee23:

Originally posted by BOSSHOGFREE:

Originally posted by WMFC:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by Hogswell Hogs:
Good for him.

Not picking on you in particular, but why is it good for him? Why is it my business, your business, or anything for public consumption at all?

It's a pretty major thing man. Even though it is 2013, a lot of people act like it is 1910...

Have to agree with rsrbk777. If we truly want a tolerate society then were going to have to stop making massive issues out of the small steps. It should be a blip on the radar so to speak. The loud beating of the drum only works to spark more public push back. Only when something goes unnoticed or causes very little peak of interest will it truly be on equal footing in a public setting. For example in the big 3 pro American sports NBA,NFL, MLB only baseball still has a majority of White players. As there are fewer and fewer references to race in sports it becomes acceptable to all... as it should. IMO the less we make of changes the easier they are to be integrated. The louder the announcement the greater the push back. Its like being in a bar and someone bumps into you and you spill your drink. If you act cool then no harm no foul we all have fun. However if you choose to blow it up we just might have a bar fight on our hands.

If he was the 100th pro athlete to come out of the closet this year and people were making a big deal of it then I would understand your reasoning, but he's the very first, so... it's a big deal. As Collins said, he wishes someone had done it a long time ago, but they haven't.

Its only a big deal because people are making it a big deal. Will there be any more or less gay athletes because of this? Only in their public viewing not in their home lives. If people are making a big deal of it its because they either have an issue with it or have an agends to push. Again if youre one of thepthepeople blowing this up from one side or the other then you are perpetuating the problem. Acceptance is the lack of pointing out others differences while respecting them as a person. Our differences only make us stronger when we stop looking at them as differences but merely experiences. The more people praise differences the less likely we will see each other as the same. It is a complete failure of the fundamental beliefs of the current social movement. You cant expect the populous to see you as peer if you are currently reminding them of your difference from them.

Robbie Rogers, a guy who played for the national team, quit soccer because he is gay and doesn't want to deal with all the hate. If you can't see how gay role models might help other young men going through the same struggles then I don't know what to tell you.

You dont have to tell me anything. I see it pretty clearly. There are rather large GLBT communities in every major city now. I think you have me pegged as something Im not. Im simply saying the media for the most part play the American public like a fiddle. Otherwise why are we having this discussion?
So far Collins himself isnt the one trumping this up but simply saying Im gay. One man saying he is gay should spark no interest..... that is if we truly want to be tolerant. The real question shoukld be .... why is it our business to know?

I think someone earlier in this thread said it best when they said something to the effect of "if this was the 100th guy to come out and it was still this big a deal, then I'd totally agree." The thing is, people want to act like this is no big deal, like nothing to see here, nobody cares about gay people, why do we have to make a big deal out of it...but it is a big deal. Gay people have been cast out of American society from the very beginning, and now that the ball is starting to roll there way a little bit people like yourself begrudge them at every turn.

I think I'm really just having trouble understanding your stance here. You don't disagree with me that it's a good thing for young gay people to have someone who is older than them and who has been through the same things to come out and say it's OK to be that way, you can still follow your dreams, you don't have to fit into the stereotype, but you also want them to just keep their mouths shut? If you look at it as such a non-issue, why are you so up at arms about a gay basketball player making his feelings known? Why post in this thread at all?

Proof in point of the current social media. How is it even possible for a for a young gay person to feel normal with folks like you telling then they have to do all of the things you mention to hide themselves. Just be who you are. You want to be accepted then dont make it such a big damn deal about it. Just be who you are. We all choose our fiends, partners, work based on our comfort with those situations. If you constantly make it an issue you may find it much harder to find those situations beneficial. If I go around everyday telking them God is coming, repent or burn, be saved today then people are going to stop spending time with me because Im taking it to far. Again acceptance is when we no longer make it an issue so oeople dont have to feel scared for bad anymore. Now go back to blindly flowwing the tred of the day which is shouting at people to be tolerant while denying them their own opinions ...... which realky seems to be working ya know.

 

[NEastArkie]

Originally posted by gbbaber:

I think someone earlier in this thread said it best when they said something to the effect of "if this was the 100th guy to come out and it was still this big a deal, then I'd totally agree." The thing is, people want to act like this is no big deal, like nothing to see here, nobody cares about gay people, why do we have to make a big deal out of it...but it is a big deal. Gay people have been cast out of American society from the very beginning, and now that the ball is starting to roll there way a little bit people like yourself begrudge them at every turn.

I think I'm really just having trouble understanding your stance here. You don't disagree with me that it's a good thing for young gay people to have someone who is older than them and who has been through the same things to come out and say it's OK to be that way, you can still follow your dreams, you don't have to fit into the stereotype, but you also want them to just keep their mouths shut? If you look at it as such a non-issue, why are you so up at arms about a gay basketball player making his feelings known? Why post in this thread at all?

I think what we're seeing from a couple of posters on this board are classic examples of people who deny they're bigoted, repeat all the general cliche's about not hating anyone, etc, but then reveal themselves in more subtle ways. It's sort of a "hey, if I don't know you're different I won't dislike you" kind of tolerance. They don't admit they dislike him for what he is, so they criticize him for admitting what he is. It's kinda like saying "I know not all Muslims are bad & I'm not prejudiced, but a lot of them are terrorists so I don't want any of them having a mosque in town." African Americans seeking civil rights in the 60's & 70's had the same kinds of arguments used against them..."Some of my best friends are black, but I don't want these trouble makers..."

 

[floridahog]

Originally posted by BluffHawg:

This looks like an excellent thread for the "Grim Bottom"........There are the board moderators when you need them?

I'm still trying to figure out if Billy Grahm said tacos are bad should I eat them? Rabble Rabble Rabble

 

[President_Camacho]

Originally posted by japierce:

Originally posted by 479deerhunter:

The reverend Billie Graham said many , many times that being gay was wrong. Are we going to believe Billie Graham or the
3 to 4% micro social group? Or the Bible? I don"t think there is much room for error.

I respect Billy Graham, and I have no problem with him expressing his view, it's his right and responsibility. That being said, it's not my business, and I'm not trying to judge anybody. I try to respect people and their respective views, this country was founded by people who sacraficed more than I could possibly fathom, so that people could believe/worship/or not worship how they see fit.

Its funny how Christians always say they don't judge in one breath and in the other swear that the Bible is infallible. Well the Bible commands that homosexual men be put to death. It's in the Old Testament just like the 10 Commandments. To their credit, most Christians pick and choose from the Bible and throw out the stuff they don't feel comfortable with. But you can't be surprised with people hating the gays when the rule book for Christians demands they be killed.

 

[BOSSHOGFREE]

Originally posted by NEastArkie:

Originally posted by gbbaber:

I think someone earlier in this thread said it best when they said something to the effect of "if this was the 100th guy to come out and it was still this big a deal, then I'd totally agree." The thing is, people want to act like this is no big deal, like nothing to see here, nobody cares about gay people, why do we have to make a big deal out of it...but it is a big deal. Gay people have been cast out of American society from the very beginning, and now that the ball is starting to roll there way a little bit people like yourself begrudge them at every turn.

I think I'm really just having trouble understanding your stance here. You don't disagree with me that it's a good thing for young gay people to have someone who is older than them and who has been through the same things to come out and say it's OK to be that way, you can still follow your qdreams, you don't have to fit into the stereotype, but you also want them to just keep their mouths shut? If you look at it as such a non-issue, why are you so up at arms about a gay basketball player making his feelings known? Why post in this thread at all?

I think what we're seeing from a couple of posters on this board are classic examples of people who deny they're bigoted, repeat all the general cliche's about not hating anyone, etc, but then reveal themselves in more subtle ways. It's sort of a "hey, if I don't know you're different I won't dislike you" kind of tolerance. They don't admit they dislike him for what he is, so they criticize him for admitting what he is. It's kinda like saying "I know not all Muslims are bad & I'm not prejudiced, but a lot of them are terrorists so I don't want any of them having a mosque in town." African Americans seeking civil rights in the 60's & 70's had the same kinds of arguments used against them..."Some of my best friends are black, but I don't want these trouble makers..."

There was a poster on page one who put it out there. However if you are talking to me then you do not want equality. You do not want acceptance. You simply want a platform to fight for and dont know how to stop fighting. This isnt the 60s. If people who classify themselves with a social moniker want to tryly be accepted then we all have to start breaking down those very verbal walls. You are more a bigots to label me then the poster on the first page becausenat least that person isnt hiding ther thought. I mich more respect a gay person who is simply gay. They are who they are and dont need attention from it. Youre right, there is nothing to see. Just another guy. That is acceptance that is equality just as I cant stand religious zelots. The people celebrating the coverage of this IMO dont want true acceptance. You want classifications with different treatments. Go look in the mirror and ask yourself what you truly want for the GLBT community. Bigoted indeed.....

 

[Hogswell Hogs]

Pokerpig has clearly taken a few in his life.

 

[DMitch3520]

Originally posted by pokerpig:
I believe I said they have the right to do as they please, but I have the right to consider it as depraved behavior. You didn't answer my question, why would incest be any different as long as it's between two consenting adults. As usual those who don't consider homosexuality as depraved behavior can't come up with a good argument as to why, they just attack those who disagree. Bigot? Where the hell does that come from? Is MA a homosexual? Or because I don't think he's a great recruiter or a great teacher of fundamental BB you assume I "HATE" him? Just what I would expect from someone who diagrees with someone elses opinion, but can't come up with a logical reason to support their own point of view. Show me ONE post by me where I stated I hate MA. Or tell me why you think homosexuality is not a perverted lifestyle, then tell me why you wouldn't champion incest in the same way. I've never treated a homosexual any different than anyone else, if I like them as a person then I like them, if I don't like them as a person, then I don't like them. Same thing goes for straight folks.

It is almost a mathematical certainty that someone close to you - family member, childhood friend, etc... - is homosexual. If you knew who that was, would you just cut-off your relationship with them?

Let's take it a step further, what would you do if you had a child that was homosexual? Would you try to beat it out of him? Send him to one of those cookoo camps where they wash the sins off of them and they magically become straight? Or would you just disown them?

I would hope that your perspective might be a little different and that you would be ashamed of the bigotry you've espoused in this thread. That might be giving you more credit than you're due though.

 

[rzrbk7777]

Originally posted by NEastArkie:

Originally posted by gbbaber:


I think someone earlier in this thread said it best when they said something to the effect of "if this was the 100th guy to come out and it was still this big a deal, then I'd totally agree." The thing is, people want to act like this is no big deal, like nothing to see here, nobody cares about gay people, why do we have to make a big deal out of it...but it is a big deal. Gay people have been cast out of American society from the very beginning, and now that the ball is starting to roll there way a little bit people like yourself begrudge them at every turn.

I think I'm really just having trouble understanding your stance here. You don't disagree with me that it's a good thing for young gay people to have someone who is older than them and who has been through the same things to come out and say it's OK to be that way, you can still follow your dreams, you don't have to fit into the stereotype, but you also want them to just keep their mouths shut? If you look at it as such a non-issue, why are you so up at arms about a gay basketball player making his feelings known? Why post in this thread at all?

I think what we're seeing from a couple of posters on this board are classic examples of people who deny they're bigoted, repeat all the general cliche's about not hating anyone, etc, but then reveal themselves in more subtle ways. It's sort of a "hey, if I don't know you're different I won't dislike you" kind of tolerance. They don't admit they dislike him for what he is, so they criticize him for admitting what he is. It's kinda like saying "I know not all Muslims are bad & I'm not prejudiced, but a lot of them are terrorists so I don't want any of them having a mosque in town." African Americans seeking civil rights in the 60's & 70's had the same kinds of arguments used against them..."Some of my best friends are black, but I don't want these trouble makers..."

You are so full of political correct crap it is disgusting. Name all of the gay people you have seen bullied this year. You haven't. You live in a world where you do nothing but search for victims at every turn, and if you can't find any, you try to make people believe they are anyway. And anybody that doesn't run around wild-eyed looking for somebody for the libs to save from society must be a biggoted hater. You are nothing if not pretentious and predictable.

I seem to lack your dominant political correctness gene and therefore I don't really give a crap if I offend anybody of your ilk or not. For you to think I would try to hide my real beliefs behind political correctness shows a lack of awareness on your part, not deception on mine. I'm not a bit ashamed of I believe or how I came to believe it. It's not gays I find disgusting, it's folks like you that have this overwhelming need to make them victims so that you can get on a soapbox and cheerlead for their rights.

 

[Hogswell Hogs]

"your ilk"

Lol, so glad this generation is dying off.

 

[gbbaber]

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by NEastArkie:

Originally posted by gbbaber:


I think someone earlier in this thread said it best when they said something to the effect of "if this was the 100th guy to come out and it was still this big a deal, then I'd totally agree." The thing is, people want to act like this is no big deal, like nothing to see here, nobody cares about gay people, why do we have to make a big deal out of it...but it is a big deal. Gay people have been cast out of American society from the very beginning, and now that the ball is starting to roll there way a little bit people like yourself begrudge them at every turn.

I think I'm really just having trouble understanding your stance here. You don't disagree with me that it's a good thing for young gay people to have someone who is older than them and who has been through the same things to come out and say it's OK to be that way, you can still follow your dreams, you don't have to fit into the stereotype, but you also want them to just keep their mouths shut? If you look at it as such a non-issue, why are you so up at arms about a gay basketball player making his feelings known? Why post in this thread at all?

I think what we're seeing from a couple of posters on this board are classic examples of people who deny they're bigoted, repeat all the general cliche's about not hating anyone, etc, but then reveal themselves in more subtle ways. It's sort of a "hey, if I don't know you're different I won't dislike you" kind of tolerance. They don't admit they dislike him for what he is, so they criticize him for admitting what he is. It's kinda like saying "I know not all Muslims are bad & I'm not prejudiced, but a lot of them are terrorists so I don't want any of them having a mosque in town." African Americans seeking civil rights in the 60's & 70's had the same kinds of arguments used against them..."Some of my best friends are black, but I don't want these trouble makers..."

You are so full of political correct crap it is disgusting. Name all of the gay people you have seen bullied this year. You haven't. You live in a world where you do nothing but search for victims at every turn, and if you can't find any, you try to make people believe they are anyway. And anybody that doesn't run around wild-eyed looking for somebody for the libs to save from society must be a biggoted hater. You are nothing if not pretentious and predictable.

I seem to lack your dominant political correctness gene and therefore I don't really give a crap if I offend anybody of your ilk or not. For you to think I would try to hide my real beliefs behind political correctness shows a lack of awareness on your part, not deception on mine. I'm not a bit ashamed of I believe or how I came to believe it. It's not gays I find disgusting, it's folks like you that have this overwhelming need to make them victims so that you can get on a soapbox and cheerlead for their rights.

Oh, it's the gays. Admit it. Sometimes you look at boys and it moves a little, doesn't it Cletus? Don't worry man, the big gay monster isn't going to come get you. Not as long as you got yer guns.

 

[japierce]

Originally posted by President_Camacho:

Originally posted by japierce:

Originally posted by 479deerhunter:

The reverend Billie Graham said many , many times that being gay was wrong. Are we going to believe Billie Graham or the
3 to 4% micro social group? Or the Bible? I don"t think there is much room for error.

I respect Billy Graham, and I have no problem with him expressing his view, it's his right and responsibility. That being said, it's not my business, and I'm not trying to judge anybody. I try to respect people and their respective views, this country was founded by people who sacraficed more than I could possibly fathom, so that people could believe/worship/or not worship how they see fit.

Its funny how Christians always say they don't judge in one breath and in the other swear that the Bible is infallible. Well the Bible commands that homosexual men be put to death. It's in the Old Testament just like the 10 Commandments. To their credit, most Christians pick and choose from the Bible and throw out the stuff they don't feel comfortable with. But you can't be surprised with people hating the gays when the rule book for Christians demands they be killed.

Originally posted by President_Camacho:

Originally posted by japierce:

Originally posted by 479deerhunter:

The reverend Billie Graham said many , many times that being gay was wrong. Are we going to believe Billie Graham or the
3 to 4% micro social group? Or the Bible? I don"t think there is much room for error.

I respect Billy Graham, and I have no problem with him expressing his view, it's his right and responsibility. That being said, it's not my business, and I'm not trying to judge anybody. I try to respect people and their respective views, this country was founded by people who sacraficed more than I could possibly fathom, so that people could believe/worship/or not worship how they see fit.

Its funny how Christians always say they don't judge in one breath and in the other swear that the Bible is infallible. Well the Bible commands that homosexual men be put to death. It's in the Old Testament just like the 10 Commandments. To their credit, most Christians pick and choose from the Bible and throw out the stuff they don't feel comfortable with. But you can't be surprised with people hating the gays when the rule book for Christians demands they be killed.

It's funnier that you would attempt to comment on "what Christians believe" when you obviously have little real insight on such things, outside of a vague reference you probably picked up from a website somewhere. As I said before, believe what you want, but please stop trying to imply you are more knowledgable of the Christian faith than people who actually are Christians.

 

[Hogswell Hogs]

If we dont stop giving gays attention, we're all gonna get the gay and humanity will die out.

 

[AtlantaRazorback]

I've always kept to myself about my sexuality. But after seeing a poster type:

"Name all of the gay people you have seen bullied this year. You haven't. You live in a world where you do nothing but search for victims at every turn, and if you can't find any, you try to make people believe they are anyway".

spare me. I'm gay. I don't want or give a damn whether you like me or not for it. I don't seek anything you don't have and take for granted. But I have been mugged and beaten in my past. I don't fit the stereotype either, I kicked the crap out of one guy who was stupid enough to attack me by himself. All I was doing was having a beer with friends and walking to my car. MANY of my friends have endured the same as me and much worse. I applaud this guy for coming out because I have seen too many young gays take their own lives; i've seen too many turn to drugs and alcohol. If you don't walk in someone's shoes, you can't speak for their experiences.

As for the other commentary about incest, animals, it is not worth my time. I'm hardly now, nor have I once ever seeked attention here or elsewhere. But I do believe in the saying "if you won't stick up for yourself, how can you possibly expect someone else to" mode of thinking.

 

[rzrbk7777]

Originally posted by gbbaber:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by NEastArkie:

Originally posted by gbbaber:



I think someone earlier in this thread said it best when they said something to the effect of "if this was the 100th guy to come out and it was still this big a deal, then I'd totally agree." The thing is, people want to act like this is no big deal, like nothing to see here, nobody cares about gay people, why do we have to make a big deal out of it...but it is a big deal. Gay people have been cast out of American society from the very beginning, and now that the ball is starting to roll there way a little bit people like yourself begrudge them at every turn.

I think I'm really just having trouble understanding your stance here. You don't disagree with me that it's a good thing for young gay people to have someone who is older than them and who has been through the same things to come out and say it's OK to be that way, you can still follow your dreams, you don't have to fit into the stereotype, but you also want them to just keep their mouths shut? If you look at it as such a non-issue, why are you so up at arms about a gay basketball player making his feelings known? Why post in this thread at all?

I think what we're seeing from a couple of posters on this board are classic examples of people who deny they're bigoted, repeat all the general cliche's about not hating anyone, etc, but then reveal themselves in more subtle ways. It's sort of a "hey, if I don't know you're different I won't dislike you" kind of tolerance. They don't admit they dislike him for what he is, so they criticize him for admitting what he is. It's kinda like saying "I know not all Muslims are bad & I'm not prejudiced, but a lot of them are terrorists so I don't want any of them having a mosque in town." African Americans seeking civil rights in the 60's & 70's had the same kinds of arguments used against them..."Some of my best friends are black, but I don't want these trouble makers..."

You are so full of political correct crap it is disgusting. Name all of the gay people you have seen bullied this year. You haven't. You live in a world where you do nothing but search for victims at every turn, and if you can't find any, you try to make people believe they are anyway. And anybody that doesn't run around wild-eyed looking for somebody for the libs to save from society must be a biggoted hater. You are nothing if not pretentious and predictable.

I seem to lack your dominant political correctness gene and therefore I don't really give a crap if I offend anybody of your ilk or not. For you to think I would try to hide my real beliefs behind political correctness shows a lack of awareness on your part, not deception on mine. I'm not a bit ashamed of I believe or how I came to believe it. It's not gays I find disgusting, it's folks like you that have this overwhelming need to make them victims so that you can get on a soapbox and cheerlead for their rights.

Oh, it's the gays. Admit it. Sometimes you look at boys and it moves a little, doesn't it Cletus? Don't worry man, the big gay monster isn't going to come get you. Not as long as you got yer guns.

No, like I said, it's the liberals I hate. Gays don't tend to try to tell me my business. No wonder Mark Pierce wanted to kick your ass. Did you go full fetal on him or what?

 

[gbbaber]

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by gbbaber:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by NEastArkie:

Originally posted by gbbaber:



I think someone earlier in this thread said it best when they said something to the effect of "if this was the 100th guy to come out and it was still this big a deal, then I'd totally agree." The thing is, people want to act like this is no big deal, like nothing to see here, nobody cares about gay people, why do we have to make a big deal out of it...but it is a big deal. Gay people have been cast out of American society from the very beginning, and now that the ball is starting to roll there way a little bit people like yourself begrudge them at every turn.

I think I'm really just having trouble understanding your stance here. You don't disagree with me that it's a good thing for young gay people to have someone who is older than them and who has been through the same things to come out and say it's OK to be that way, you can still follow your dreams, you don't have to fit into the stereotype, but you also want them to just keep their mouths shut? If you look at it as such a non-issue, why are you so up at arms about a gay basketball player making his feelings known? Why post in this thread at all?

I think what we're seeing from a couple of posters on this board are classic examples of people who deny they're bigoted, repeat all the general cliche's about not hating anyone, etc, but then reveal themselves in more subtle ways. It's sort of a "hey, if I don't know you're different I won't dislike you" kind of tolerance. They don't admit they dislike him for what he is, so they criticize him for admitting what he is. It's kinda like saying "I know not all Muslims are bad & I'm not prejudiced, but a lot of them are terrorists so I don't want any of them having a mosque in town." African Americans seeking civil rights in the 60's & 70's had the same kinds of arguments used against them..."Some of my best friends are black, but I don't want these trouble makers..."

You are so full of political correct crap it is disgusting. Name all of the gay people you have seen bullied this year. You haven't. You live in a world where you do nothing but search for victims at every turn, and if you can't find any, you try to make people believe they are anyway. And anybody that doesn't run around wild-eyed looking for somebody for the libs to save from society must be a biggoted hater. You are nothing if not pretentious and predictable.

I seem to lack your dominant political correctness gene and therefore I don't really give a crap if I offend anybody of your ilk or not. For you to think I would try to hide my real beliefs behind political correctness shows a lack of awareness on your part, not deception on mine. I'm not a bit ashamed of I believe or how I came to believe it. It's not gays I find disgusting, it's folks like you that have this overwhelming need to make them victims so that you can get on a soapbox and cheerlead for their rights.

Oh, it's the gays. Admit it. Sometimes you look at boys and it moves a little, doesn't it Cletus? Don't worry man, the big gay monster isn't going to come get you. Not as long as you got yer guns.

No, like I said, it's the liberals I hate. Gays don't tend to try to tell me my business. No wonder Mark Pierce wanted to kick your ass. Did you go full fetal on him or what?

No, I didn't go fetal, are you insinuating that democrats are pussies? More importantly, why are you so angry right now? I'm telling you, your cornhole is safe. Relax.

 

[rzrbk7777]

Originally posted by AtlantaRazorback:
I've always kept to myself about my sexuality. But after seeing a poster type:

"Name all of the gay people you have seen bullied this year. You haven't. You live in a world where you do nothing but search for victims at every turn, and if you can't find any, you try to make people believe they are anyway".

spare me. I'm gay. I don't want or give a damn whether you like me or not for it. I don't seek anything you don't have and take for granted. But I have been mugged and beaten in my past. I don't fit the stereotype either, I kicked the crap out of one guy who was stupid enough to attack me by himself. All I was doing was having a beer with friends and walking to my car. MANY of my friends have endured the same as me and much worse. I applaud this guy for coming out because I have seen too many young gays take their own lives; i've seen too many turn to drugs and alcohol. If you don't walk in someone's shoes, you can't speak for their experiences.

As for the other commentary about incest, animals, it is not worth my time. I'm hardly now, nor have I once ever seeked attention here or elsewhere. But I do believe in the saying "if you won't stick up for yourself, how can you possibly expect someone else to" mode of thinking.

Really? You don't think straight people have ever been mugged or beaten? You don't think people have been beat up for having long hair, having the wrong team on their sweatshirt, being the wrong color in the wrong neighborhood, or just being in the wrong place at the right time? You don't think common folk have ever been ridiculed in the presence of the social elite, or that clean cut people have ever been picked on by rednecks? Welcome to the real world big guy, it's not always fun and it's not always fair. And nobody has cornered the market on being THE group that gets bullied.

 

[NEastArkie]

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:
You are so full of political correct crap it is disgusting. Name all of the gay people you have seen bullied this year. You haven't. You live in a world where you do nothing but search for victims at every turn, and if you can't find any, you try to make people believe they are anyway. And anybody that doesn't run around wild-eyed looking for somebody for the libs to save from society must be a biggoted hater. You are nothing if not pretentious and predictable.

I seem to lack your dominant political correctness gene and therefore I don't really give a crap if I offend anybody of your ilk or not. For you to think I would try to hide my real beliefs behind political correctness shows a lack of awareness on your part, not deception on mine. I'm not a bit ashamed of I believe or how I came to believe it. It's not gays I find disgusting, it's folks like you that have this overwhelming need to make them victims so that you can get on a soapbox and cheerlead for their rights.

I don't recall having seen a gay person bullied this year, but I haven't seen anyone murdered this year, either. That doesn't mean neither event happens. They happen all the time. Only an idiot can't recognize how the world in general treats gays. It isn't "political correctness" to ask that people treat everyone like human beings entitled to respect. What is predictable is that you are willing to belittle this as "politically correct." How sad.

You find everyone who disagrees with you or is different from you disgusting. Whether they're gay, Muslim, liberal...if they're different from you, they're disgusting to you. It isn't "political correctness" that you're hiding behind. You just won't admit how hateful you really are. You probably deny it to yourself as well.






This post was edited on 4/29 3:53 PM by NEastArkie

 

[rzrbk7777]

Originally posted by gbbaber:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by gbbaber:

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by NEastArkie:

Originally posted by gbbaber:




I think someone earlier in this thread said it best when they said something to the effect of "if this was the 100th guy to come out and it was still this big a deal, then I'd totally agree." The thing is, people want to act like this is no big deal, like nothing to see here, nobody cares about gay people, why do we have to make a big deal out of it...but it is a big deal. Gay people have been cast out of American society from the very beginning, and now that the ball is starting to roll there way a little bit people like yourself begrudge them at every turn.

I think I'm really just having trouble understanding your stance here. You don't disagree with me that it's a good thing for young gay people to have someone who is older than them and who has been through the same things to come out and say it's OK to be that way, you can still follow your dreams, you don't have to fit into the stereotype, but you also want them to just keep their mouths shut? If you look at it as such a non-issue, why are you so up at arms about a gay basketball player making his feelings known? Why post in this thread at all?

I think what we're seeing from a couple of posters on this board are classic examples of people who deny they're bigoted, repeat all the general cliche's about not hating anyone, etc, but then reveal themselves in more subtle ways. It's sort of a "hey, if I don't know you're different I won't dislike you" kind of tolerance. They don't admit they dislike him for what he is, so they criticize him for admitting what he is. It's kinda like saying "I know not all Muslims are bad & I'm not prejudiced, but a lot of them are terrorists so I don't want any of them having a mosque in town." African Americans seeking civil rights in the 60's & 70's had the same kinds of arguments used against them..."Some of my best friends are black, but I don't want these trouble makers..."

You are so full of political correct crap it is disgusting. Name all of the gay people you have seen bullied this year. You haven't. You live in a world where you do nothing but search for victims at every turn, and if you can't find any, you try to make people believe they are anyway. And anybody that doesn't run around wild-eyed looking for somebody for the libs to save from society must be a biggoted hater. You are nothing if not pretentious and predictable.

I seem to lack your dominant political correctness gene and therefore I don't really give a crap if I offend anybody of your ilk or not. For you to think I would try to hide my real beliefs behind political correctness shows a lack of awareness on your part, not deception on mine. I'm not a bit ashamed of I believe or how I came to believe it. It's not gays I find disgusting, it's folks like you that have this overwhelming need to make them victims so that you can get on a soapbox and cheerlead for their rights.

Oh, it's the gays. Admit it. Sometimes you look at boys and it moves a little, doesn't it Cletus? Don't worry man, the big gay monster isn't going to come get you. Not as long as you got yer guns.

No, like I said, it's the liberals I hate. Gays don't tend to try to tell me my business. No wonder Mark Pierce wanted to kick your ass. Did you go full fetal on him or what?

No, I didn't go fetal, are you insinuating that democrats are pussies? More importantly, why are you so angry right now? I'm telling you, your cornhole is safe. Relax.

I'm not angry at all. I find you guys highly entertaining. And I wasn't insinuating anything, but now that you mention it..... And you seem awfully obsessed with my backside.......... You didn't put a move on Pierce did you?

 

[AtlantaRazorback]

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by AtlantaRazorback:
I've always kept to myself about my sexuality. But after seeing a poster type:

"Name all of the gay people you have seen bullied this year. You haven't. You live in a world where you do nothing but search for victims at every turn, and if you can't find any, you try to make people believe they are anyway".

spare me. I'm gay. I don't want or give a damn whether you like me or not for it. I don't seek anything you don't have and take for granted. But I have been mugged and beaten in my past. I don't fit the stereotype either, I kicked the crap out of one guy who was stupid enough to attack me by himself. All I was doing was having a beer with friends and walking to my car. MANY of my friends have endured the same as me and much worse. I applaud this guy for coming out because I have seen too many young gays take their own lives; i've seen too many turn to drugs and alcohol. If you don't walk in someone's shoes, you can't speak for their experiences.

As for the other commentary about incest, animals, it is not worth my time. I'm hardly now, nor have I once ever seeked attention here or elsewhere. But I do believe in the saying "if you won't stick up for yourself, how can you possibly expect someone else to" mode of thinking.

Really? You don't think straight people have ever been mugged or beaten? You don't think people have been beat up for having long hair, having the wrong team on their sweatshirt, being the wrong color in the wrong neighborhood, or just being in the wrong place at the right time? You don't think common folk have ever been ridiculed in the presence of the social elite, or that clean cut people have ever been picked on by rednecks? Welcome to the real world big guy, it's not always fun and it's not always fair. And nobody has cornered the market on being THE group that gets bullied.

Originally posted by rzrbk7777:

Originally posted by AtlantaRazorback:
I've always kept to myself about my sexuality. But after seeing a poster type:

"Name all of the gay people you have seen bullied this year. You haven't. You live in a world where you do nothing but search for victims at every turn, and if you can't find any, you try to make people believe they are anyway".

spare me. I'm gay. I don't want or give a damn whether you like me or not for it. I don't seek anything you don't have and take for granted. But I have been mugged and beaten in my past. I don't fit the stereotype either, I kicked the crap out of one guy who was stupid enough to attack me by himself. All I was doing was having a beer with friends and walking to my car. MANY of my friends have endured the same as me and much worse. I applaud this guy for coming out because I have seen too many young gays take their own lives; i've seen too many turn to drugs and alcohol. If you don't walk in someone's shoes, you can't speak for their experiences.

As for the other commentary about incest, animals, it is not worth my time. I'm hardly now, nor have I once ever seeked attention here or elsewhere. But I do believe in the saying "if you won't stick up for yourself, how can you possibly expect someone else to" mode of thinking.

Really? You don't think straight people have ever been mugged or beaten? You don't think people have been beat up for having long hair, having the wrong team on their sweatshirt, being the wrong color in the wrong neighborhood, or just being in the wrong place at the right time? You don't think common folk have ever been ridiculed in the presence of the social elite, or that clean cut people have ever been picked on by rednecks? Welcome to the real world big guy, it's not always fun and it's not always fair. And nobody has cornered the market on being THE group that gets bullied.

I never said other people were not a victim of crime. No need to put words in my mouth that were not there. You said it didn't happen and people on here couldn't name an incidence of it. I was targeted based on exactly where I was leaving a bar named Blakes by people that thought I'd be easy prey. That does not mean other people are not a victim of crime or that I don't care about theirs, I do. You seem very angry. Probably best we agree to disagree and move on.

 

[Hogswell Hogs]

Don't worry about it, Atlanta. These are "people" that hate the ending of Mississippi Burning. The world is getting more progressive, much to their chagrin. But they are powerless to stop it, for they are the weak.