OT: Does anyone else think it's not just a coincidence. . .
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They are hypocrites. Michelle Duggar came out and said that trans people were sexual predators. All the while knowing that she raised an actual sexual predator herself. These are horrible human beings.
I no longer live in Arkansas but I'll always be an Arkansan. The national and global perception of our state is not a positive one and a huge part of that is people like the Duggars.
I no longer live in Arkansas but I'll always be an Arkansan. The national and global perception of our state is not a positive one and a huge part of that is people like the Duggars.
You think it's funny to mock Christianity in general over an issue like this but it really just makes you look ignorant and shallow. The thread isn't over and the comment and your reply wasn't funny or original.
Christians deal with considerable issues just like any other person. The issue is the monsters that use their religion to prey on others. It's the worst sort of person and sadly, many do just that. And to compound the issue, many religious people choose to be ignorant and blindly follow those that put themselves on a pedestal as holy rollers and uber-holy
This is new information. In the original stories that were reported, the mom told police "Josh did not receive counseling and instead had been sent during that time to a family friend who was in the home remodeling business."
If they are saying now that he did in fact receive professional counselling, I hope it's true. Should have happened immediately, the first time he told them. But it didn't. It happened after he told them about it 3 different times over the course of several months. It should have happened before shipping him off for 4 months, because there is a very real possibility he could have vicitimized someone else. They acted terribly irresponsibly at best, and bordering on criminal.
I'm sure if there was professional counselling, some reporter is going to track down that lead.
Any one who thinks it's ok to have 19 kids is goofy ! I have 2 and, I'm convinced that
that's all I need !
that's all I need !
Man with respect, if your son molests 2 of his sisters, and your course of action is to send him to work construction for the summer. Then follow that up with bringing him back into the home which results in 3 more little girls being molested one of them 5 years old. I see that as a pretty disingenuous attempt to get your son help, and protect your daughters...that's just my view. They should have got him real professional help immediately...no questions asked, if they had 3 of those girls may not have been violated.
Going to a Joseph Hutchens to confess their sins is not turning themselves into the police. Hutchens did not report the crime. But he did report to federal prison for 56 years for multiple child pornography charges.
Part of their "Christian Counseling" consisted of blaming the victim for tempting the molester. I have no words for how wrong this is.
This was not just over the clothes touching. It was molestation of a 5 year old. That is not "just going through puberty." And he did it repeatedly to multiple girls over a period of time. He knew what he was doing.
As for you, razorbackforever, I have lost any semblance of respect for you.
You saying that these girls were "molested" (as in we are applying a tag that doesn't fit) pisses me off. Do you have daughters, I do...she's 7, and if anyone touches my 7 year old daughter in a sexual way, with sexual thoughts, they are a child molester. If you want to excuse their actions, or support those good conservative folks...more power to you, but you can save all the "molested" comments, as if I'm out of line for caring for the innocence of children, a 5 year old baby. I was a 14 year old boy, I know what it's like, I never molested my younger sister, and certainly not a toddler.
I'd go off what the police report says vs what the family is saying now to save face.
Just to be clear. The Duggars did NOT voluntarily turn Josh in in 2006. Someone called the ASP hotline. Police report here:
http://m.imgur.com/a/uePgT
I have read elsewhere that in the fall of 2006, the family was scheduled to be on "Oprah." Someone who knew about this sent her company an email about it, and then that company contacted Arkansas DHS.
That's how the whole thing came to the attention of authorities.
Some of my Springdale relatives say there have been rumors about this up there for years.
And hey, just like any other OT on here. You don't have to read it.
http://m.imgur.com/a/uePgT
I have read elsewhere that in the fall of 2006, the family was scheduled to be on "Oprah." Someone who knew about this sent her company an email about it, and then that company contacted Arkansas DHS.
That's how the whole thing came to the attention of authorities.
Some of my Springdale relatives say there have been rumors about this up there for years.
And hey, just like any other OT on here. You don't have to read it.
The plan may very well have failed (that is: sending their son to construciton work/christian counseling for the summer) but to say that their attempt was disingenuous is pure conjecture that does not seem to be backed up with the proceeding actions. These people were trying to protect their daughters without totally disowning their son.
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Thanks for posting that Lolly. So basically, it went on for a year before they decided to take any action other than a parental scolding. I guess time will tell if what went on in Little Rock was real counselling (as they allege now), or just manual labor (as Michelle apparently stated previously).
That isn't quite true. They did voluntarily go to the authorities and turn Josh in - it just happened that the authority that they spoke with, Cpl. Hutchins (who subsequently was convicted of child pornography charges), did not report the crime. There is nothing (except pure conjecture) that indicates that the Duggars were complicit in any way with Cpl. Hutchins not officially reporting the crime. The interview with Hutchins was at the Arkansas State Police Headquarters and there was no other indication (to the Duggars) that they hadn't gotten totally squared away with the legal system.
ITT we learn that @RazorbackForever is a Chester who lightly tosses aside the idea of a 15 year old adolescent molesting a young girl. That shit is whack and I can't believe you've gotten off as easily as you have so far. I have a five year old step-daughter and I usually consider threads like these so much faux anger, but this guy belongs in prison and his parents covered it up to keep him out, plain and simple.
I have no doubt that I would turn in a family member for a similar offense. If you don't, you're guilty by association. And if you make a huge fuss about homosexuals while your oldest son is committing incestual rape, well, I hope there is a hell so you can burn in it. The fact that anyone is defending them scares me and quite frankly I have nothing but disgust for that viewpoint.
I have no doubt that I would turn in a family member for a similar offense. If you don't, you're guilty by association. And if you make a huge fuss about homosexuals while your oldest son is committing incestual rape, well, I hope there is a hell so you can burn in it. The fact that anyone is defending them scares me and quite frankly I have nothing but disgust for that viewpoint.
Don't want to defend the Duggars, although I do have compassion for any family going through what they are. But in the interest of fairness, in the OP the man who get the sentence for child pornography was a state trooper -- that Jim Bob took Josh too. That was after he had worked for the construction remodeler for 3-4 months. It was the same state trooper, I think, that the state representative "re-homed" his adopted children to (I think). The Duggars, and the state representative, would not be the first ones to be hoodwinked by a sexual predator. The Duggars have made a lot of mistakes, in my opinion, in the way they have handled this situation -- but we do need to be accurate in what we say.
I do not think the state rep "re-homed" those girls to a state trooper. As I recall, it was a janitor who had worked at their "pre-school."
But don't get me started on that whole deal.
AND, trooper Hutchens now says Jim Bob told him the fondling only happened one time.
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/...molestation-shoots-down-jim-bob-s-story-59235
TIFWIW
But don't get me started on that whole deal.
AND, trooper Hutchens now says Jim Bob told him the fondling only happened one time.
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/...molestation-shoots-down-jim-bob-s-story-59235
TIFWIW
A couple of posters are looking like Penn State fans in this. Doing all sorts of mental and verbal gymnastics to excuse the inexcusable b\c the accused are people they admire and hold in high regard.
You can resort to name-calling and can stand on your faulty moral pedestal all you want - that said, if you consider what the Duggar's boy did as incestual rape, you certainly have that right. The fact that you seem to ignore SEVERAL MAJOR POINTS OF THE CASE: The first being that he was a juvenile and the girls were not even aware that they had been molested, the second being that Josh told his parents and asked for help, himself, the third being that the Duggars got he and the girls professional help, and the fourth that he was cleared by the institution that he received certified counseling from.
Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. I believe in the power of prayer and the power of Christ. I believe that people deserve second chances and while I get that you seem to think that Josh Duggar should be in prison for life for his actions as a kid - I certainly don't have to agree with you (and for that matter, won't lose any sleep at night because some over-critical, self-righteous hack disgusts my position on the issue)
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Your MAJOR POINTS are messed up. Allow me to set you straight. First, to say it wasn't rape or molestation because the girls were asleep is like saying if you give a female a date-rape drug and she doesn't remember the rape, it didn't happen. It did happen. Second, just because he was a juvenile it doesn't make it okay. What 14-year-old- does not know it is wrong to fondle his sisters, especially one as young as 4 or 5, as many as five girls? He would be subject to the law if his parents had not covered up the crime. Third, it was only after Josh went to his parents for the third time that they sought professional help. Previously, they sent him to (a.) a state trooper who is now serving 56 years for kiddy porn, and then to (b) a counselor who ran an institution where he "groomed" children for sex. And fourth, I don't know what kind of institution cleared him; professional psychologists do not do that. Finally, as a Christian it is not up to me (or you) to judge others. I shall not call you "self-righteous" although you did that to the previous poster. God will be the judge of this. That does not mean I have to approve of any of this behavior or forget what he did. You have given all the usual excuses used by predators - he was young, the girls didn't know, God has forgiven him. Please stop minimizing this; it makes you part of the problem.
Lol that I'm part of the problem. Thanks for the holy speech, reverend. We are obviously not going to agree on this topic so I'm peacing out
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So you agree with and accept the rest of my post? Thanks. No need to call me names. I'm just a poor sinner who seeks forgiveness and Grace.
No we don't agree on any of it. I'm done discussing this topic. My views are conveyed with previous posts
That's probably a good thing for you to stop digging while you still can crawl out of the hole you dug.
No. I would be the wolf.
Your side of this argument is disgusting. You are defending a rapist. You're a toad.
Reports say 20% of girls are molested before they are 18. And that is just the ones that will report. The truth is this is not rare or an uncommon struggle for young boys.
I would like to think if I was in this situation I would handle it differently, but I also understand why parents would not want their child labled as a pedofile because of one mistake he made.
I hope this is something I never have to deal with as a parent.
I would like to think if I was in this situation I would handle it differently, but I also understand why parents would not want their child labled as a pedofile because of one mistake he made.
I hope this is something I never have to deal with as a parent.
When your son comes to you the first time and says he's been touching your daughters...I can imagine there will be some confusion and you don't know for sure what to do. When your son comes to you the SECOND time and says the same thing...you better FREAKIN' be doing something about it. There should NEVER be a third time.
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I only read your post, so others below may have corrected you, but it was the law enforcement officer who happened to be on duty who took Josh's statement that went to jail for molestation. Not the person they sent Josh to for counseling. Not getting involved with the politics of this or your other assertions, just want to make sure that one thing is clarified.
No. First, Josh never gave a statement in the official investigation. Jim Bob wouldn't let him. The investigating officer's name was Hignite. This was in 2006, after a tip,was made to,the ASP hotline.
It was in 2003 that Jim Bob sent Josh to "have a talk" with Tim Hutchens of the ASP. This was because Jim Bob knew Hutchens. It wasn't t really turning Josh in.
Go back and read the the post I made with the police report.
It's disheartening and scary to hear grown men minimizing the molestation of little girls. The girls were molested, multiple times, over the course of years, period.
this isn't true. Every source out there says that the cop who is now in prison was a family friend of the duggars.
Razorbackforever...you talk about what kind of parents other people are; but you only show your caring as a parent towards Josh. The offender. I mean good lord...what kind of parent would forget about their other children who were just molested!?!
You turn Josh into the authorities. It's your job as a parent to teach your kids accountability and to get them obviously needed psychological help, not "Christian counseling" whatever the hell that is. My father's a pastor, he said the first thing that should've been "counseled" by a pastor would be legal and psychological help for all the children.
I feel sorry for any children that might've had you responsible for their upbringing.
You turn Josh into the authorities. It's your job as a parent to teach your kids accountability and to get them obviously needed psychological help, not "Christian counseling" whatever the hell that is. My father's a pastor, he said the first thing that should've been "counseled" by a pastor would be legal and psychological help for all the children.
I feel sorry for any children that might've had you responsible for their upbringing.
You know when someone comes out and takes it upon themself to defend the indefensible it is pretty transparent. Mustain had his mother on the internet telling us how her boy is football Jesus and Nutt ruined his life. You had the perpetual defense of coach Bolding in NLR. And now we have razorbackforever who will forever be remembered for this embarrassment.
You are clearly a member of the family or a friend of it. Either way you and the Duggars are sickening. You are all a stain on Christianity, Arkansas, and the human race.
On another note, I have gained a lot of respect for several posters on this board. Lolly, japierce, gbbaber, titan, rzrbckDS, sausage, jon jackson and others.
Those poor girls. That is who I worry about. There is no defense for the indefensible.
Wow. I just took the time to watch this. I think you are one of the few who got the point of my OP.
Really doesn't sock me, though.
My personal opinion is that, in these days, if you are a politician and run for some big office, then you have major mental problems. So sad.
Perverts are everywhere.
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