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Care to expound on that?Originally posted by Hog Alumni:
Yes it sucks big time! This has some real "big brother" type consequences, nothing neutral about it. Scary stuff for a free country. Thanks Obama!
Don't know where you get your news but that is incorrect. Completely! For example, I have directv. I also have comcast for internet. Whenever I download something on demand from directv right now, it takes a while because comcast is slowing it down. I also have netflix. Until Netflix agreed to pay Comcast extra money last year, my netflix movies would stop and buffer a lot. When Netflix agreed to pay them more it stopped. I pay comcast for a service and it is not their right to slow my connection when I am downloading from a competitor. That is what this is about. Period.Originally posted by J.C. Rose:
The govt has basically figured out a way to regulate and tax the Internet and spun it as "net neutrality" so all the non informed will not realize this is another liberal agenda. Tons of negative consequences from this. Great PR by the libs here, if they would have called it regulate and tax it would have gotten pushback.
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Regulation isn't always a bad thing. Fees will likely go up, but not to a terrible degree. It sets up a system, via the FCC, where complaints about price gouging and poor service and be directed. In most cities, you have 1-2 choices for an interent provider. Taking steps to keep these companies accountable is a good thing. The internet has boomed and thrived b\c companies agreed to not limit access and leave it as a free space. There's nothing wrong with making a law to ensure that it stays that way. If you want an example of how service providers could abuse the former gentlemen's agreement, look at the recent negotiations b\w comcast and Netflix. Comcast cut off the siphon to Netflix to force them to the table on Comcast's terms.Originally posted by J.C. Rose:
The govt has basically figured out a way to regulate and tax the Internet and spun it as "net neutrality" so all the non informed will not realize this is another liberal agenda. Tons of negative consequences from this. Great PR by the libs here, if they would have called it regulate and tax it would have gotten pushback.
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Government's job isn't to help business flourish, it's to prevent the damage of business excesses. The EPA, our labor laws, net neutrality, Glass-Stegall Act, etc help keep a level playing field to allow for innovation and for new ideas and companies to have a fighting chance. Too much regulation is just as bad as no regulation at all.Originally posted by athunt:
I work in the technology industry and I can assure you innovation is happening everyday. Companies are transforming and in that transformation is innovation. Maybe the government has a different definition of "innovation".
I just cant think of an example where the government has inserted itself into an industry and it was a good thing and done at no cost to the tax payer. Talk to any small business owner, over regulation is a PIA for them. That stifles innovation IMO.
yes, so let's trust government bureaucrats to make sure everyone plays fairly instead of letting the free market play out. it's just a key fundamental difference in how we see the world. i will always lean to the side of free market, less government interference. even programs that start out as noble in the government, become bastardized over time and end up as typical government regulation and bureaucracy.Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
Regulation isn't always a bad thing. Fees will likely go up, but not to a terrible degree. It sets up a system, via the FCC, where complaints about price gouging and poor service and be directed. In most cities, you have 1-2 choices for an interent provider. Taking steps to keep these companies accountable is a good thing. The internet has boomed and thrived b\c companies agreed to not limit access and leave it as a free space. There's nothing wrong with making a law to ensure that it stays that way. If you want an example of how service providers could abuse the former gentlemen's agreement, look at the recent negotiations b\w comcast and Netflix. Comcast cut off the siphon to Netflix to force them to the table on Comcast's terms.Originally posted by J.C. Rose:
The govt has basically figured out a way to regulate and tax the Internet and spun it as "net neutrality" so all the non informed will not realize this is another liberal agenda. Tons of negative consequences from this. Great PR by the libs here, if they would have called it regulate and tax it would have gotten pushback.
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I guess we just have fundamentally different views of the role our government. capitalism vs socialism if you willOriginally posted by B0b L0blaw:
Government's job isn't to help business flourish, it's to prevent the damage of business excesses. The EPA, our labor laws, net neutrality, Glass-Stegall Act, etc help keep a level playing field to allow for innovation and for new ideas and companies to have a fighting chance. Too much regulation is just as bad as no regulation at all.Originally posted by athunt:
I work in the technology industry and I can assure you innovation is happening everyday. Companies are transforming and in that transformation is innovation. Maybe the government has a different definition of "innovation".
I just cant think of an example where the government has inserted itself into an industry and it was a good thing and done at no cost to the tax payer. Talk to any small business owner, over regulation is a PIA for them. That stifles innovation IMO.
We do and that's fine. Often times the middle ground b\w our opposing views (aka compromise) leads to the best result. I know socialism is viewed in a bad light by many. We have socialistic aspects to our government that have help millions. It's all about to what extent we do things. Moderation is the key IMO, it's the excesses on either end of the political spectrum that lead to trouble.Originally posted by athunt:
I guess we just have fundamentally different views of the role our government. capitalism vs socialism if you willOriginally posted by B0b L0blaw:
Government's job isn't to help business flourish, it's to prevent the damage of business excesses. The EPA, our labor laws, net neutrality, Glass-Stegall Act, etc help keep a level playing field to allow for innovation and for new ideas and companies to have a fighting chance. Too much regulation is just as bad as no regulation at all.Originally posted by athunt:
I work in the technology industry and I can assure you innovation is happening everyday. Companies are transforming and in that transformation is innovation. Maybe the government has a different definition of "innovation".
I just cant think of an example where the government has inserted itself into an industry and it was a good thing and done at no cost to the tax payer. Talk to any small business owner, over regulation is a PIA for them. That stifles innovation IMO.
Originally posted by hogtoad:
All net neutrality means is preventing internet providers from engaging in unfair practices.- Wrong, it does much more than that and not much is positive!
Under the new rules companies like Comcast, Time Warner, Cox, Verizon, etc. can't offer "fast lane" internet to anyone that can afford it and push everyone into "slow lanes."
-There is now new government program being created. -That is pretty much exactly what is happening.
-This is nothing like Obamacare. -It is socialism for the internet, so it kinda is just like Obamacare.
Nothing has changed...The internet is exactly that way it was yesterday. Since you jabbed libs... You righties kill me with reading comprehension...They only changed terms to allow action by an overseeing board...they didnt change a thing except put what had been always happening (that you were equal to Netflix) down on paper and made enforcable regulations to insure it stays that way. Please show me where the government tax form line is you filled out to be charged for making the internet equal for all parties participating.Originally posted by J.C. Rose:
The govt has basically figured out a way to regulate and tax the Internet and spun it as "net neutrality" so all the non informed will not realize this is another liberal agenda. Tons of negative consequences from this. Great PR by the libs here, if they would have called it regulate and tax it would have gotten pushback.
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and the government should be telling a company how to run its business because why?Originally posted by Cruiserhog:
Nothing has changed...The internet is exactly that way it was yesterday. Since you jabbed libs... You righties kill me with reading comprehension...They only changed terms to allow action by an overseeing board...they didnt change a thing except put what had been always happening (that you were equal to Netflix) down on paper and made enforcable regulations to insure it stays that way. Please show me where the government tax form line is you filled out to be charged for making the internet equal for all parties participating.Originally posted by J.C. Rose:
The govt has basically figured out a way to regulate and tax the Internet and spun it as "net neutrality" so all the non informed will not realize this is another liberal agenda. Tons of negative consequences from this. Great PR by the libs here, if they would have called it regulate and tax it would have gotten pushback.
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oh, ok, nothing has changed? That's the big lie. That's what it starts as anyway. So they are basically reclassifying the internet from ISP's to utilities. Are you familiar with the regulation over utilities? Are you familiar with the taxes on utilities. Hold on, let me talk in terms you are familiar with. Fees. That's how they are disguising it. Everything is the same, no new taxes, yada yada. That's how the Internet Tax Freedom Act is written - no new taxes. But it doesn't include fees. Which is how the government collects additional revenue through utilities. Now those fees are unknown at this point, and you guys that love government regulation will argue there will not be any new fees. But now the FCC has a whole lot of power, and even if they are not implementing fees yet, you are completely naive to believe it's not coming. This is just the red-herring that will lead to an end result that none of us will be happy with. But who do you believe here? A bill that was intentionally kept non-transparent?Originally posted by Cruiserhog:
Nothing has changed...The internet is exactly that way it was yesterday. Since you jabbed libs... You righties kill me with reading comprehension...They only changed terms to allow action by an overseeing board...they didnt change a thing except put what had been always happening (that you were equal to Netflix) down on paper and made enforcable regulations to insure it stays that way. Please show me where the government tax form line is you filled out to be charged for making the internet equal for all parties participating.Originally posted by J.C. Rose:
The govt has basically figured out a way to regulate and tax the Internet and spun it as "net neutrality" so all the non informed will not realize this is another liberal agenda. Tons of negative consequences from this. Great PR by the libs here, if they would have called it regulate and tax it would have gotten pushback.
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That's YOUR idea of what government should be. MY idea is that government is FOR the people to make our lives better...and helping businesses flourish is part of that equation (so they can hire more people...and pay them more).Originally posted by B0b L0blaw:
Government's job isn't to help business flourish, it's to prevent the damage of business excesses. The EPA, our labor laws, net neutrality, Glass-Stegall Act, etc help keep a level playing field to allow for innovation and for new ideas and companies to have a fighting chance. Too much regulation is just as bad as no regulation at all.Originally posted by athunt:
I work in the technology industry and I can assure you innovation is happening everyday. Companies are transforming and in that transformation is innovation. Maybe the government has a different definition of "innovation".
I just cant think of an example where the government has inserted itself into an industry and it was a good thing and done at no cost to the tax payer. Talk to any small business owner, over regulation is a PIA for them. That stifles innovation IMO.
BAM!!! Regulation NEVER increases innovation.Originally posted by athunt:
I work in the technology industry and I can assure you innovation is happening everyday. Companies are transforming and in that transformation is innovation. Maybe the government has a different definition of "innovation".
I just cant think of an example where the government has inserted itself into an industry and it was a good thing and done at no cost to the tax payer. Talk to any small business owner, over regulation is a PIA for them. That stifles innovation IMO.
One very dependable source is History , we have 6 years and a little over a month of it.Originally posted by ohlordy:
Each side sees in it what they want it to be........when neither knows it all.
Nobody here has a dependable source
The answer is consumer protection. That is why places can't charge you 100 percent interest just because you are desperate. Same reason some call dealer that sells you a lemon can be held accountable. Same reason why you don't get food poisoning every time you go to the grocery store and they cut corners to sell you bad meat. Same reason you can swim in our rivers and lakes and not get sick from people pouring oil in them. I guess all of that is government overreach?Originally posted by athunt:
and the government should be telling a company how to run its business because why?Originally posted by Cruiserhog:
Nothing has changed...The internet is exactly that way it was yesterday. Since you jabbed libs... You righties kill me with reading comprehension...They only changed terms to allow action by an overseeing board...they didnt change a thing except put what had been always happening (that you were equal to Netflix) down on paper and made enforcable regulations to insure it stays that way. Please show me where the government tax form line is you filled out to be charged for making the internet equal for all parties participating.Originally posted by J.C. Rose:
The govt has basically figured out a way to regulate and tax the Internet and spun it as "net neutrality" so all the non informed will not realize this is another liberal agenda. Tons of negative consequences from this. Great PR by the libs here, if they would have called it regulate and tax it would have gotten pushback.
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THe funny thing is that the governement invented the internet and all you conspiracy theorist think that they are trying to take over what they already built. LOL. This is not a right wing vs. left wing thing. This is about DC lobbyist for the big 3 who don't want to open competition. The government doesn't tax the internet. This is about the ISP's. The service providers who will not be required to give me my Netflix in real time and not throttle my directv. Otherwise I would have to beholden to comcast to decide how much netflix I can watch. That is what is unAmerican.Originally posted by treestandhog:
This is NOT a good thing. I'd rather be pissed about a few companies trying to monopolize the net...which ain't exactly good...rather than have our stinkin government take over and start regulating it. It IS most assuredly another step in government intrusion into our lives. Liberals will likely not see this until it's too late...if then. Conservatives know what's happening and what's at stake. The socialist far-left will start telling us what we can and can't watch and what we can and can't print or share on the net....our political, social and religious views will be scrutinized...and government agencies will be taking note of each of us and what we say or do. It's another encroachment on our freedoms and this can't be denied....at least not by anyone with legitimate common sense.
There is no new program being created. All it is an adjustment of how things are regulated right now, internet is just bumped into a different category. Nothing new was created. There will be no large spending or creation of new offices to oversee this adjustment. So not like Obamacare.Originally posted by Hog Alumni:
Originally posted by hogtoad:
All net neutrality means is preventing internet providers from engaging in unfair practices.- Wrong, it does much more than that and not much is positive!
Under the new rules companies like Comcast, Time Warner, Cox, Verizon, etc. can't offer "fast lane" internet to anyone that can afford it and push everyone into "slow lanes."
-There is now new government program being created. -That is pretty much exactly what is happening.
-This is nothing like Obamacare. -It is socialism for the internet, so it kinda is just like Obamacare.