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[jHawg]

Been off the grid for s week and missed the last 30 pages. Not reading them all. Any cliffs? Anyone been banned? Anyone changes their minds on the rona? Or just same back and forth? Don't want to miss anything?

Nothing has changed at all! You have the same people who can't think for themselves and are naive AF. Then they get owned by data. Then they move the goal post. Rinse and Repeat...

In fairness, you can't get real data by typing in "voter fraud", "mail in voter fraud", or "absentee voter fraud". You have to be very specific and know exactly what you're looking for. Once you do, you have the ability to make some itt look extremely ignorant.

Not trying to tin foil anything, but it's almost like Google doesn't want people to find certain things.

Feel free to post your findings. We've had this discussion before and nothing was brought to the table.

I've got plenty more, but we'll start here. Should be interesting to see how any of this is explained away.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAGegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw323R1Z6g7oqQd8IbGSLlvj

My argument was there's no proof that it happens at a significant RATE. We know that those cases go back into the 80s so 164 cases over at least 40 years, 4.1 cases a year. And those aren't necessarily even big absentee ballot schemes, there are cases where it's just one person. So to claim that it will suddenly spike up because it's allowed in more states than it already is (which happens without much of a hitch btw) is disingenuous because there's just no evidence that it will.

Please explain it then mister.

I'm a registered Republican btw.

Has nothing to do with if you’re a registered republican. The fact that the Dem media isn’t telling you the actual argument the WH is arguing, it’s sad. It’s why I say to do your own research.

WH isn’t saying no absentee votes, they’re fine with that if requested because you might not be in home town during elections or if you’re not able to vote in person. It’s the fact that Dems are sending ballots to people that aren’t requesting them and can go vote in person. Once again, dem media leaves out the most important part and some of y’all eat it up like the press sec and Trump is being a hypocrite

There's a difference between glancing through threads and actually reading/replying to something. Calm your tits.

I'm not really seeing where you "called me out". I've got better things to do during the day than try to "fool others".

Several states do mail in voting, and they get by just fine. Trump's own voter fraud panel had to shut down because they found no evidence.

You would think if they could find ANYTHING, Trump's ego would've been all over the news bragging about it. They found zero.

Why does it matter if they mail them out? You're acting as if thousands of people are stealing ballots from mailboxes and fraudulently filling them out. We have 300+ million people in this country, a few thousand(if even that) is such a small number it's insignificant.

 

[Italian Arkie]

I haven’t acted like thousands, I just know it’ll happen but more than anything, there’s no reason for all these mail in votes that does give a higher chance at fraud.

The country is going to be open to vote, people that don’t feel safe can wear a mask right, that’s the new gotcha the Dem news is going with against Trump right now.

I for not constantly, piece by piece, tearing down how the US was put together. Over the last 4 years the Dems have constantly, on many issues attacked our constitution.

If there was one a real reason for mail in voting outside of the laws that are in place now, I’d be okay with it but there’s not.

Sure, but you have multiple states that already allow mail in voting(Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, Utah and Colorado), and you don't see any rampant cases of voter fraud there.

Sure, small instances of it happen, but if the President and his Press Secretary can do it, the regular people can as well.

By using your logic, how do we know President Trump sent his ballot in? Someone could've stolen it in route and mailed it in for him.

 

[NMHOGG]

Lol. I can argue like crazy with anyone and forget about it min later, no problems, just can’t stand liars.

But you support trump. Call it paradox hypocrisy or plain old bull feces you propagate It in your post.

 

[mikedamone]

This one's for you, Mike. And believe me when I say I respect your opinion and am not sharing this as a gotcha or anything else. Just part of the conversation in why I believe the # of Covid-19 deaths are undercounted.

According to the CDC, so far this year, Florida has had 1,762 deaths from Covid and 5,185 from pneumonia. The average pneumonia deaths in Florida from 2013-18 for the same time period is.... 918.

Stretches all credulity to say that is just a coincidence,

Do you have a link to that data, specifically the 918 average?

 

[Lefty8]

This one's for you, Mike. And believe me when I say I respect your opinion and am not sharing this as a gotcha or anything else. Just part of the conversation in why I believe the # of Covid-19 deaths are undercounted.

According to the CDC, so far this year, Florida has had 1,762 deaths from Covid and 5,185 from pneumonia. The average pneumonia deaths in Florida from 2013-18 for the same time period is.... 918.

Stretches all credulity to say that is just a coincidence,

Ummmmmm, read up a few posts, brother

 

[NMHOGG]

Do you have a link to that data, specifically the 918 average?

If you have a reason to doubt the source he referenced perhaps you can look into it yourself, if no legitimate reason for such doubt, why ask the question?

 

[Lefty8]

Sure, but you have multiple states that already allow mail in voting(Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, Utah and Colorado), and you don't see any rampant cases of voter fraud there.

Sure, small instances of it happen, but if the President and his Press Secretary can do it, the regular people can as well.

By using your logic, how do we know President Trump sent his ballot in? Someone could've stolen it in route and mailed it in for him.

There is a huge difference in mailing out requested ballots and just sending them out in bulk, especially with the horrible way that stats handle their voter registrations as it is

 

[mikedamone]

If you have a reason to doubt the source he referenced perhaps you can look into it yourself, if no legitimate reason for such doubt, why ask the question?

I didn’t post the numbers, he did.

 

[NMHOGG]

I didn’t post the numbers, he did.

My bad, here. https://twitter.com/squireforyou/status/1265553065056362497?s=21
Some have requested the data on other states. Here are links to CDC data:

CDC national and state-by-state numbers for 2020 (since Feb 1) here: [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

CDC mortality numbers from 1999-2018 can be searched by month, state, and cause here: https://wonder.cdc.gov/ucd-icd10.html

Here is what the article states about national and regional numbers:

“Pneumonia kills about 50,000 people each year in the U.S., according to the CDC.
This year, at least 89,555 deaths have been attributed nationwide to pneumonia between February and mid-May.
It tends to follow a typical flu season, coming on in December and peaking in January and February before declining in March to April.
But preliminary CDC data from this year show pneumonia deaths steadily climbed in March to peak in April, mirroring the trend line for deaths linked to the coronavirus outbreak.
Surrounding states are also seeing death counts several times greater than normal:
Indiana: 1,832 COVID-19 deaths; 2,149 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 384)
Illinois: 4,856 COVID-19 deaths; 3,986 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 782)
Tennessee: 336 COVID-19 deaths; 1,704 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 611)
Ohio: 1,969 COVID-19 deaths; 2,327 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 820)
Virginia: 1,208 COVID-19 deaths; 1,394 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 451)
West Virginia: 72 COVID-19 deaths; 438 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 117)”


I[/URL] hope this helps.

 

[Lefty8]

If you have a reason to doubt the source he referenced perhaps you can look into it yourself, if no legitimate reason for such doubt, why ask the question?

Cause its bullshit statistics

 

[Lefty8]

My bad, here.

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Some have requested the data on other states. Here are links to CDC data:

CDC national and state-by-state numbers for 2020 (since Feb 1) here: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

CDC mortality numbers from 1999-2018 can be searched by month, state, and cause here: https://wonder.cdc.gov/ucd-icd10.html

Here is what the article states about national and regional numbers:

“Pneumonia kills about 50,000 people each year in the U.S., according to the CDC.
This year, at least 89,555 deaths have been attributed nationwide to pneumonia between February and mid-May.
It tends to follow a typical flu season, coming on in December and peaking in January and February before declining in March to April.
But preliminary CDC data from this year show pneumonia deaths steadily climbed in March to peak in April, mirroring the trend line for deaths linked to the coronavirus outbreak.
Surrounding states are also seeing death counts several times greater than normal:
Indiana: 1,832 COVID-19 deaths; 2,149 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 384)
Illinois: 4,856 COVID-19 deaths; 3,986 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 782)
Tennessee: 336 COVID-19 deaths; 1,704 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 611)
Ohio: 1,969 COVID-19 deaths; 2,327 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 820)
Virginia: 1,208 COVID-19 deaths; 1,394 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 451)
West Virginia: 72 COVID-19 deaths; 438 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 117)”


I hope this helps.

Those are estimates, hope this helps

 

[mikedamone]

My bad, here.

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Some have requested the data on other states. Here are links to CDC data:

CDC national and state-by-state numbers for 2020 (since Feb 1) here: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

CDC mortality numbers from 1999-2018 can be searched by month, state, and cause here: https://wonder.cdc.gov/ucd-icd10.html

Here is what the article states about national and regional numbers:

“Pneumonia kills about 50,000 people each year in the U.S., according to the CDC.
This year, at least 89,555 deaths have been attributed nationwide to pneumonia between February and mid-May.
It tends to follow a typical flu season, coming on in December and peaking in January and February before declining in March to April.
But preliminary CDC data from this year show pneumonia deaths steadily climbed in March to peak in April, mirroring the trend line for deaths linked to the coronavirus outbreak.
Surrounding states are also seeing death counts several times greater than normal:
Indiana: 1,832 COVID-19 deaths; 2,149 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 384)
Illinois: 4,856 COVID-19 deaths; 3,986 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 782)
Tennessee: 336 COVID-19 deaths; 1,704 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 611)
Ohio: 1,969 COVID-19 deaths; 2,327 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 820)
Virginia: 1,208 COVID-19 deaths; 1,394 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 451)
West Virginia: 72 COVID-19 deaths; 438 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 117)”


I hope this helps.

Where is a link showing Florida averages 918 pneumonia deaths per year?

I’m fully prepared to admit if I’m wrong but I think this is a twisting of data.

 

[NMHOGG]

Those are estimates, hope this helps

Have you something more exact or pertinent than CDC numbers from the last 20 years? I’ll hang up and listen.

 

[NMHOGG]

Where is a link showing Florida averages 918 pneumonia deaths per year?

Do something on your own.

 

[futurehawgdad9]

Sure, but you have multiple states that already allow mail in voting(Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, Utah and Colorado), and you don't see any rampant cases of voter fraud there.

Sure, small instances of it happen, but if the President and his Press Secretary can do it, the regular people can as well.

By using your logic, how do we know President Trump sent his ballot in? Someone could've stolen it in route and mailed it in for him.

I thought I explained this already and you would understand the difference. It looks as if you’re going to refuse to understand the difference.

 

[futurehawgdad9]

Sure, but you have multiple states that already allow mail in voting(Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, Utah and Colorado), and you don't see any rampant cases of voter fraud there.

Sure, small instances of it happen, but if the President and his Press Secretary can do it, the regular people can as well.

By using your logic, how do we know President Trump sent his ballot in? Someone could've stolen it in route and mailed it in for him.

And maybe this will help you with why that article you linked was BS and they know it.
She has explained this several times but still having to put it on twitter because of the fake articles.

 

[NMHOGG]

Cause its bullshit statistics

Cite a better source!

 

[Lefty8]

Have you something more exact or pertinent than CDC numbers from the last 20 years? I’ll hang up and listen.

They dont have anything but estimates. You should just hang up

 

[NMHOGG]

And maybe this will help you with why that article you linked was BS and they know it.
She has explained this several times but still having to put it on twitter because of the fake articles.

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AP News
Report: Trump commission did not find widespread voter fraud
Aug 3, 2018 · PORTLAND, Maine (AP) — The now- disbanded voting integrity commission launched by the Trump administration uncovered no evidence to ...

 

[Italian Arkie]

And maybe this will help you with why that article you linked was BS and they know it.
She has explained this several times but still having to put it on twitter because of the fake articles.

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Trump goes to Florida just about every other weekend to Golf. The excuse that he can't be present is false.

Here's just one example. Early voting was open March 6th-March 15th(https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/...-election-2020-locations-in-palm-beach-county).

Trump was golfing in Florida on March 8th(https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-out-of-town-pool-report-3-golf-club-1842189998).

There were several locations in Palm Beach/West Palm Beach he could've voted at... but nope, too busy golfing. I thought golf was the sport that only Obama did.

Here's Obama voting in person, not that it really matters.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?416620-1/president-obama-voting-chicago

 

[NMHOGG]

They dont have anything but estimates. You should just hang up

They dont have anything but estimates. You should just hang up

Cite a better source! Just not liking it has no credibility just as all your arguments.

 

[futurehawgdad9]

AP News
Report: Trump commission did not find widespread voter fraud
Aug 3, 2018 · PORTLAND, Maine (AP) — The now- disbanded voting integrity commission launched by the Trump administration uncovered no evidence to ...

None of this matters to the original post I replied to.

 

[futurehawgdad9]

Trump goes to Florida just about every other weekend to Golf. The excuse that he can't be present is false.

Here's just one example. Early voting was open March 6th-March 15th(https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/...-election-2020-locations-in-palm-beach-county).

Trump was golfing in Florida on March 8th(https://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-out-of-town-pool-report-3-golf-club-1842189998).

There were several locations in Palm Beach/West Palm Beach he could've voted at... but nope, too busy golfing. I thought golf was the sport that only Obama did.

Here's Obama voting in person, not that it really matters.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?416620-1/president-obama-voting-chicago

And you still don’t get it. I don’t and didn’t care how often Obama or Trump golf. I don’t care where trump could’ve been to vote, it’s not the point.

 

[NMHOGG]

None of this matters to the original post I replied to.

Divert much? It’s pertinent get used to it or get over it, idc.

 

[mikedamone]

Do something on your own.

GD, man. I didn’t post the 918. I can’t find it anywhere. That’s why I’m skeptical and why want to know where it comes from.

 

[Lefty8]

Cite a better source! Just not liking it has no credibility just as all your arguments.

Ask a doctor

 

[Lefty8]

Dude has to be drunk

 

[futurehawgdad9]

Divert much? It’s pertinent get used to it or get over it, idc.

Lmao. What would I be diverting from? Duck is the only one that moved on to other stuff that isn’t the reason I replied to him.

Are you okay? These post don’t seem like yourself.

 

[Italian Arkie]

And you still don’t get it. I don’t and didn’t care how often Obama or Trump golf. I don’t care where trump could’ve been to vote, it’s not the point.

Please tell me the point then. If Trump can mail in a vote because it's convenient, so can the average citizen.

The notion of mail in voting "which has a high propensity for voter fraud." by the Press Secretary is 100% false. Trump's own voting commission couldn't find anything. Several hundred cases over the course of hundreds of millions of votes isn't going to matter.

Trump also at one point said the Electoral College was a "disaster for Democracy", then suprise he won the EC and now he likes it.

He just says whatever his uneducated fanbase likes to hear because he knows they are dumb enough to believe it.

 

[smallmouthhog]

You freekers must have lots of time on your hands.

 

[NMHOGG]

GD, man. I didn’t post the 918. I can’t find it anywhere. That’s why I’m skeptical and why want to know where it comes from.

This leads to the other links I posted.

 

[mikedamone]

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This leads to the other links I posted.

OMG

 

[NMHOGG]

Ask a doctor

I did, mine.

 

[futurehawgdad9]

Please tell me the point then. If Trump can mail in a vote because it's convenient, so can the average citizen.

The notion of mail in voting "which has a high propensity for voter fraud." by the Press Secretary is 100% false. Trump's own voting commission couldn't find anything. Several hundred cases over the course of hundreds of millions of votes isn't going to matter.

Trump also at one point said the Electoral College votes would be fraudulent, then suprise he won the EC and now he likes it.

I’m not going to go into all of it but it does matter, there have been multiple races decided by voter fraud that ended up overturned.

All Americans should want voting to be as accurate as possible, this is easiest way for fraud to occur.

Now, the reason I responded to you and you’ve turned it into something different. Can’t believe I’m explaining this but I will.

You posted an article going after Trump and the Press Sec as a gotcha moment at them as if they’re wrong. The fact is that article was BS by leaving out the most important words as they constantly do. You then didn’t understand the difference, I explained.

How much voter fraud there is and wether or not Trump could fly to Florida and vote has absolutely nothing to do with The WH concerns, nor does others that have requested mail in ballots.

 

[Italian Arkie]

I’m not going to go into all of it but it does matter, there have been multiple races decided by voter fraud that ended up overturned.

All Americans should want voting to be as accurate as possible, this is easiest way for fraud to occur.

Now, the reason I responded to you and you’ve turned it into something different. Can’t believe I’m explaining this but I will.

You posted an article going after Trump and the Press Sec as a gotcha moment at them as if they’re wrong. The fact is that article was BS by leaving out the most important words as they constantly do. You then didn’t understand the difference, I explained.

How much voter fraud there is and wether or not Trump could fly to Florida and vote has absolutely nothing to do with The WH concerns, nor does others that have requested mail in ballots.

They are wrong though. Trump wasn’t absent, he was in town during early voting in Florida but instead wanted to golf.

 

[Lefty8]

I did, mine.

Get a new one if he didnt understand

 

[NMHOGG]

I’m not going to go into all of it but it does matter, there have been multiple races decided by voter fraud that ended up overturned.

All Americans should want voting to be as accurate as possible, this is easiest way for fraud to occur.

Now, the reason I responded to you and you’ve turned it into something different. Can’t believe I’m explaining this but I will.

You posted an article going after Trump and the Press Sec as a gotcha moment at them as if they’re wrong. The fact is that article was BS by leaving out the most important words as they constantly do. You then didn’t understand the difference, I explained.

How much voter fraud there is and wether or not Trump could fly to Florida and vote has absolutely nothing to do with The WH concerns, nor does others that have requested mail in ballots.

My great granddaughter makes more sense than you.

 

[RHS_Cyclone]

GD, man. I didn’t post the 918. I can’t find it anywhere. That’s why I’m skeptical and why want to know where it comes from.

For the record, the 918 wasn't for the year but just a specific time frame, I think.

I'll go back to just reading now.

 

[NMHOGG]

Get a new one if he didnt understand

Get a new one if he didnt understand

She, but you don’t check facts. Soooo...

 

[NMHOGG]

For the record, the 918 wasn't for the year but just a specific time frame, I think.

I'll go back to just reading now.

Feb through now.