OT 100% NOT the Official Off-Topic/Politics/Corona Thread

[mikedamone]

Mike.... I've tried to follow up to find the numbers but it's a confusing mess. I retract the 918 number because I can't confirm. It looks to me like they averaged about 3000 deaths per year due to pneumonia. That's still way below the 5,000+ in the first five months of this year though.

You can find those numbers through here: https://wonder.cdc.gov/ucd-icd10.html

If anyone does want to go down the rabbit hole of this, I believe this person actually breaks down how it is false. Y'all are smarter than me, so feel free to tell me if its incorrect:



Essentially, its not apples to apples.

The 5,185 comes from multiple cause of death codes. The number has gone up to 5,248 since Kellen's original tweet.

Whereas the 918 comes from a single cause of death:




So what is the apples to apples number?



And the 5,248 pneumonia deaths this year may include CV deaths

 

[PorkshankRedemption]

He is literally trying to pass an executive order that would force people to not exercise free speech within their own business lol.

I guess you haven't read the summary of the proposed order...shame.

"The draft order, which was reviewed by CNN, targets a law known as the Communications Decency Act. Section 230 of the legislation provides broad immunity to websites that curate and moderate their own platforms, and has been described by legal experts as "the 26 words that created the internet.

It argues that the protections hinge mainly on tech platforms operating in "good faith," and that social media companies have not.
"In a country that has long cherished the freedom of expression, we cannot allow a limited number of online platforms to hand-pick the speech that Americans may access and convey online," the draft order says. "This practice is fundamentally un-American and anti-democratic. When large, powerful social media companies censor opinions with which they disagree, they exercise a dangerous power."

Do I agree with the premise. No. It's a private entity that can do whatever they want. If they want to say **** you to the president and only allow people to say **** you to the president on their website, that is their right, go for it. Think of it as a virtual "wedding cake" example.

Would this take away some moron's rights in Arkansas that has nothing to do with Twitter? No.

 

[eezycheez]

I guess you haven't read the summary of the proposed order...shame.

"The draft order, which was reviewed by CNN, targets a law known as the Communications Decency Act. Section 230 of the legislation provides broad immunity to websites that curate and moderate their own platforms, and has been described by legal experts as "the 26 words that created the internet.

It argues that the protections hinge mainly on tech platforms operating in "good faith," and that social media companies have not.
"In a country that has long cherished the freedom of expression, we cannot allow a limited number of online platforms to hand-pick the speech that Americans may access and convey online," the draft order says. "This practice is fundamentally un-American and anti-democratic. When large, powerful social media companies censor opinions with which they disagree, they exercise a dangerous power."

Do I agree with the premise. No. It's a private entity that can do whatever they want. If they want to say **** you to the president and only allow people to say **** you to the president on their website, that is their right, go for it. Think of it as a virtual "wedding cake" example.

Would this take away some moron's rights in Arkansas that has nothing to do with Twitter? No.

What is your argument? Good luck proving they only sensor conservative voices. And like you said, it’s a private entity and they can do what they want.

 

[PorkshankRedemption]

Mike.... I've tried to follow up to find the numbers but it's a confusing mess. I retract the 918 number because I can't confirm. It looks to me like they averaged about 3000 deaths per year due to pneumonia. That's still way below the 5,000+ in the first five months of this year though.

You can find those numbers through here: https://wonder.cdc.gov/ucd-icd10.html

I think they are getting the numbers from 2018s pneumonia numbers - 2600 - through 5 months.

2600/12=~216
~216*5=~1083

Just a guess.

 

[nikkichavanelle]

I guess you haven't read the summary of the proposed order...shame.

"The draft order, which was reviewed by CNN, targets a law known as the Communications Decency Act. Section 230 of the legislation provides broad immunity to websites that curate and moderate their own platforms, and has been described by legal experts as "the 26 words that created the internet.

It argues that the protections hinge mainly on tech platforms operating in "good faith," and that social media companies have not.
"In a country that has long cherished the freedom of expression, we cannot allow a limited number of online platforms to hand-pick the speech that Americans may access and convey online," the draft order says. "This practice is fundamentally un-American and anti-democratic. When large, powerful social media companies censor opinions with which they disagree, they exercise a dangerous power."

Do I agree with the premise. No. It's a private entity that can do whatever they want. If they want to say **** you to the president and only allow people to say **** you to the president on their website, that is their right, go for it. Think of it as a virtual "wedding cake" example.

Would this take away some moron's rights in Arkansas that has nothing to do with Twitter? No.

Censorship: the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security

Twitter didn't censor Trump's tweet in any way.

 

[PorkshankRedemption]

What is your argument? Good luck proving they only sensor conservative voices. And like you said, it’s a private entity and they can do what they want.

My argument is that some Joe Shmoe, like yourself, will not be impacted by this whatsoever. Trump, in his stupidity, is arguing for Twitter to lose the ability and/or be liable for their (twitter's) actions for "silencing the conservative." Part of the issue with the everyday TDS person, is in their incoherent stupidity, they get people who think Trump is a moron, like myself, arguing against his staunchest opposition because their emotions get in the way of their brains.

 

[minnesotahog]

“Does it work? I don’t know.”

That basically explains it right there.

I trust the “experts” and the “doctors” and “science” was just a thing.....Just more hypocrisy from the hypocrites. Not surprised a lib would defend the rich and powerful getting medical treatment that works, while ur fakenews is telling the public it doesn’t. They know y’all fall for anything. Meanwhile trump is the leader that’s being straight up, while Cuomo wanted to keep it secret...

Complains about censorship and stifling free speech.

Wants to shut down platforms for free speech.

https://www.vox.com/2018/9/14/17857622/twitter-liberal-employees-conservative-trump-politics. lol y’all must think we’re dumb? There’s no free speech on a liberal platform lol! Libs are bullies and this isn’t breaking news or a secret. Just like conservative actors are scared to express their views out of fear. Nikki tried the same thing here but thankfully some educated hillbillies shut her down!

 

[hawgclucker]

What is your argument? Good luck proving they only sensor conservative voices. And like you said, it’s a private entity and they can do what they want.

They are liberals and they do sensor conservative voices .
eesycheez if you can't see what Obama , Biden and all the FBI tried to do with the Russian hoax , Mueller investigation , Impeachment , even Kavanaugh hearing.
This President was targeted from the beginning by his own country.
He has had to retaliate anyway he can because the fake media is liberal and Democrats.
Boy if America could ever work together we would be on a different level.

 

[Bamahawgfan]

Again not what he is doing he is saying that they can’t hide behind free speech but try and censor opposing free speech.. all he is saying is that they can be held accountable for allowing false claims to be published on their sites

 

[PorkshankRedemption]

Censorship: the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security

Twitter didn't censor Trump's tweet in any way.

I honeslty don't think you all read whenever Trump is involved. You just scream at the sky.

I never said he was right...find the section where I said, "Trump is right, he deserves this."

You will find me saying that the every day person, even if this miraculously gets past the supreme court...which it won't...will not be impacted by the decision. Unless there is some writing which explicity talks about the "censorship" of opposition or whatever, this is a rebuke against Twitter for using a private forum to do whatever they want. If Trump was smart, he would leave twitter. 90% of twitter are blue check marks who foam at the mouth waiting for Trump to come on and spout something stupid.

If I was in tech right now, even if I was the biggest liberal in the world, I would create a platform similar to twitter and pitch it to the Donald. Him joining that "site" would instantly be a blow to Twitter. Not the stupid actions he's doing today.

 

[Lefty8]

I detest twitter, but signing an executive order aimed at social media because he got his feelings hurt is pathetic. Whatever the order says will ultimately not be upheld in court.

If it were just him they were censoring I would fully agree, but it's not. They are silencing voices all over twitter

 

[eezycheez]

My argument is that some Joe Shmoe, like yourself, will not be impacted by this whatsoever. Trump, in his stupidity, is arguing for Twitter to lose the ability and/or be liable for their (twitter's) actions for "silencing the conservative." Part of the issue with the everyday TDS person, is in their incoherent stupidity, they get people who think Trump is a moron, like myself, arguing against his staunchest opposition because their emotions get in the way of their brains.

Oh, so you are saying that I wouldn’t lose my freedom of speech because I don’t operate a social media platform. Sure, that’s where it starts. Just like with guns.

 

[Mhhoover92]

If I was in tech right now, even if I was the biggest liberal in the world, I would create a platform similar to twitter and pitch it to the Donald. Him joining that "site" would instantly be a blow to Twitter. Not the stupid actions he's doing today.

Gab.com

 

[PorkshankRedemption]

Oh, so you are saying that I would lose my freedom of speech because I don’t operate a social media platform. Sure, that’s where it starts. Just like with guns.

What the **** are you takling about? Where did I say you would lose your freedom of speech? I literally said the exact opposite. Additionally, that's an extreme "whataboutism" transition to guns, there. Are you trolling? If so, it's working. I don't know how to deal with this level of incompetency.

 

[nikkichavanelle]

If it were just him they were censoring I would fully agree, but it's not. They are silencing voices all over twitter

Again, they're not censoring him. In fact he gets way more protection than the average user.

 

[eezycheez]

Gab.com

Twittier

 

[Lefty8]

Again, they're not censoring him. In fact he gets way more protection than the average user.

Sure

 

[eezycheez]

What the **** are you takling about? Where did I say you would lose your freedom of speech? I literally said the exact opposite. Additionally, that's an extreme "whataboutism" transition to guns, there. Are you trolling? If so, it's working. I don't know how to deal with this level of incompetency.

Typo: Meant “wouldn’t“

 

[Lefty8]

I think people are focusing on just this one tweet and not looking at the whole picture

 

[minnesotahog]

Censorship: the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security

Twitter didn't censor Trump's tweet in any way.

You’re right, they didn’t censor him, but they do censor conservatives. Surely u know this....https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45426407.......https://quillette.com/2019/02/12/it...ats-conservatives-more-harshly-than-liberals/.......https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/26/us/politics/twitter-shadowbanning.html...... But it’s probably just all a conspiracy theory like Russian collision..

 

[minnesotahog]

What is your argument? Good luck proving they only sensor conservative voices. And like you said, it’s a private entity and they can do what they want.

yawn. Nothing new here. I know what will happen if the Supreme Court picks it up....

 

[eezycheez]

If it were just him they were censoring I would fully agree, but it's not. They are silencing voices all over twitter

Silencing voices or silencing lies and adding context to other claims?

 

[minnesotahog]

I think people are focusing on just this one tweet and not looking at the whole picture

*distraction* from the disastrous Joe Biden townhalls and Morning Joe Killing a chick.

 

[Lefty8]

Silencing voices or silencing lies and adding context to other claims?

Voices

 

[minnesotahog]

What the **** are you takling about? Where did I say you would lose your freedom of speech? I literally said the exact opposite. Additionally, that's an extreme "whataboutism" transition to guns, there. Are you trolling? If so, it's working. I don't know how to deal with this level of incompetency.

lol Dude don’t let cheesy get u worked up. Yes he's a troll and obviously not that smart and gullible. Guy still thinks Flynn lied

 

[eezycheez]

You’re right, they didn’t censor him, but they do censor conservatives. Surely u know this....https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45426407.......https://quillette.com/2019/02/12/it...ats-conservatives-more-harshly-than-liberals/.......https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/26/us/politics/twitter-shadowbanning.html...... But it’s probably just all a conspiracy theory like Russian collision..

The only conspiracy here is yours. They have a right to do what they want.

 

[eezycheez]

lol Dude don’t let cheesy get u worked up. Yes he's a troll and obviously not that smart and gullible. Guy still thinks Flynn lied

Did Flynn confess to lying? or...

was Flynn’s confession false?

 

[eezycheez]

lol Dude don’t let cheesy get u worked up. Yes he's a troll and obviously not that smart and gullible. Guy still thinks Flynn lied

He got understandably worked up because a simple typo made my reply to him not make sense.

 

[eezycheez]

yawn. Nothing new here. I know what will happen if the Supreme Court picks it up....

What exactly will happen?

 

[minnesotahog]

The only conspiracy here is yours. They have a right to do what they want.

U can break any laws if nobody stops you... But let’s not kid ourselves, libs are known for shutting down free speech....https://www.thecollegefix.com/11-ti...-down-by-leftist-protesters-this-school-year/.......https://indefenseofliberty.blog/2019/07/15/how-far-will-they-go-to-shut-down-free-speech-on-campus/....... But this guy is cool https://www.rferl.org/a/1078779.html

 

[nikkichavanelle]

*distraction* from the disastrous Joe Biden townhalls and Morning Joe Killing a chick.

The medical examiner found ZERO evidence of "murder" and Scarborough wasn't even in town!! wtf is wrong with you. You like links so much so i'm sure you'll find about 100 stories supporting that.

 

[minnesotahog]

Did Flynn confess to lying? or...

was Flynn’s confession false?

https://thehill.com/policy/national...omey-mccabe-testified-that-the-two-agents-who

 

[minnesotahog]

The medical examiner found ZERO evidence of "murder" and Scarborough wasn't even in town!! wtf is wrong with you. You like links so much so i'm sure you'll find about 100 stories supporting that.

thinking about censoring me huh?








And the Scarborough comment was obviously a joke. But ya, he should be investigated cause he could have killed a chick. Just like Epstein’s examiner report said “suicide.” You don’t like my links cause they confirm that ur wrong, like always.

 

[eezycheez]

U can break any laws if nobody stops you... But let’s not kid ourselves, libs are known for shutting down free speech....https://www.thecollegefix.com/11-ti...-down-by-leftist-protesters-this-school-year/.......https://indefenseofliberty.blog/2019/07/15/how-far-will-they-go-to-shut-down-free-speech-on-campus/....... But this guy is cool https://www.rferl.org/a/1078779.html

They used their free speech to shout down public speakers lol. That is not the same as potus trying to use exec orders. Keep trying.

PS. I don’t agree with that bull shit these college kids do anyway.

 

[eezycheez]

https://thehill.com/policy/national...omey-mccabe-testified-that-the-two-agents-who

Answer the question. You feeling trapped?

 

[PorkshankRedemption]

Typo: Meant “wouldn’t“

Correct. It wouldn't change your freedom of speech. It would change Twitter's ability to "Moderator has edited this post (rivals shout out)." Again, which is stupid. Like Rivals, twitter can do whatever the fook they want. Honestly, nothing would make me happier than to see Donald, and all of his cronies, just stop talking. The country is doing well. I know that is hard for some to hear, but it is. All he is doing is making it easier for the independents to vote for Biden.

 

[eezycheez]

The medical examiner found ZERO evidence of "murder" and Scarborough wasn't even in town!! wtf is wrong with you. You like links so much so i'm sure you'll find about 100 stories supporting that.

Dude believes shit like this and calls us gullible. Lolololol

 

[minnesotahog]

They used their free speech to shout down public speakers lol. That is not the same as potus trying to use exec orders. Keep trying.

PS. I don’t agree with that bull shit these college kids do anyway.

lol just doing what the communist are taught to do.

Answer the question. You feeling trapped?

Reading Comprehension is your friend here..

 

[minnesotahog]

Dude believes shit like this and calls us gullible. Lolololol

Stop kissing ass!

 

[eezycheez]

lol just doing what the communist are taught to do.

Reading Comprehension is your friend here..

I asked two questions and you shared an article I already read. Stop tap dancing and answer the question.

**** it, I’ll give you the answer...He lied either way!