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This social distancing is really working!6.6 million more job claims (5M was expected). I believe that is now over 16 million job claims in 3 weeks.
ThisAnd the Fed continues the massive debt effort to save the countries economy. What a nightmare.
And no, I still don't trust they are doing what is best for us. They are doing what is best for their next election cycle. Still not sure it will work.
As i get older i realize younger people lack perspective simple because they are young. That is not an insult as realize i didn't when i was younger.
I was arguing on here with someone about Houston Nutt recently. I ask the poster his age and got jumped on by several posters that didn't realize why i ask.
If your 3o years old you remember Nutts tenure and form your opinion there. But what you dont remember is how bad it was before he got here and the frenzy he put is in in 98. Just by being younger you cannot have the perspective a 55 year old does. That is why i ask him that. He thought i was insinuating he was young and dumb. I should have made that clear. I appreciated what Nutt did because I have a different perspective.
One of the smartest traits a person can have is knowing what you dont know. I try to remember that when discussing things i haven't been through. Not always easy to do.
This is a good post that everyone should take to heart...with the exception of the Nutt stuff.
(By the way, I'm closer to 50 than I am 48. Old enough to remember the good and the bad, both before and after Nutt.)
I leveled with you and watched the first 6 minutes. Perhaps ask yourself what motivation the experts on the WH task force would have to keep the country shutdown if they didn't think it was necessary? Contrarians have nothing to lose, the task force has a whole lot to lose. Luckily for the contrarians, it's true, we can't go back and prove how many people may have had the virus before we started testingThis is the best video Ive found that relates to the point Ive been saying about this all along. I know many of you that disagree with me wont bother watching this, but do me a favor and at least listen to the first 10 minutes. It might actually open some eyes around here
He also said we should not shake hands...ever again.Fauci this AM: "It is very likely that we will progress towards the steps toward normalization as we get to the end of this 30 days... Hopefully, by the time we get to the summer, we will have taken many steps in that direction."
"We are doing a very good job on mitigation, on the physical separation, the adherence to the guidelines. As new data comes in, what you do, you integrate that data into the model... That's why you're seeing those projections coming down somewhat. That's good news."
Also...
on whether some reported coronavirus deaths are actually deaths from other causes to inflate the numbers: "There is absolutely no evidence that that's the case at all. I think it falls under the category of something that's very unfortunate, these conspiracy theories."
I certainly don't mind thatHe also said we should not shake hands...ever again.
“I don’t think we should ever shake hands ever again, to be honest with you,” he added later. “Not only would it be good to prevent coronavirus disease; it probably would decrease instances of influenza dramatically in this country.”
He also said we should not shake hands...ever again.
“I don’t think we should ever shake hands ever again, to be honest with you,” he added later. “Not only would it be good to prevent coronavirus disease; it probably would decrease instances of influenza dramatically in this country.”
"Hey I know I don't believe or agree with anything you post but hey watch this 10 minute video that supports my point of view." lolThis is the best video Ive found that relates to the point Ive been saying about this all along. I know many of you that disagree with me wont bother watching this, but do me a favor and at least listen to the first 10 minutes. It might actually open some eyes around here
Wish you would have stayed for a couple more minutes. He explains how Fauci and Birx are both talking out of their asses, basically guessing, about mortality rates and such.I leveled with you and watched the first 6 minutes. Perhaps ask yourself what motivation the experts on the WH task force would have to keep the country shutdown if they didn't think it was necessary? Contrarians have nothing to lose, the task force has a whole lot to lose. Luckily for the contrarians, it's true, we can't go back and prove how many people may have had the virus before we started testing
Might do you some good to hear it from an "expert" instead of me"Hey I know I don't believe or agree with anything you post but hey watch this 10 minute video that supports my point of view." lol
I told a buddy the other day we are about 4 generations away from no physical contact whatsoever. Better get those sperm banks ready to rollHe also said we should not shake hands...ever again.
“I don’t think we should ever shake hands ever again, to be honest with you,” he added later. “Not only would it be good to prevent coronavirus disease; it probably would decrease instances of influenza dramatically in this country.”
Fauci this AM: "It is very likely that we will progress towards the steps toward normalization as we get to the end of this 30 days... Hopefully, by the time we get to the summer, we will have taken many steps in that direction."
"We are doing a very good job on mitigation, on the physical separation, the adherence to the guidelines. As new data comes in, what you do, you integrate that data into the model... That's why you're seeing those projections coming down somewhat. That's good news."
Also...
on whether some reported coronavirus deaths are actually deaths from other causes to inflate the numbers: "There is absolutely no evidence that that's the case at all. I think it falls under the category of something that's very unfortunate, these conspiracy theories."
It is a smidgen outdated...I don't think anyone is going to stab you at a business meeting. Would be an interesting transition to the Eastern model of bowing to everyone.I certainly don't mind that
I saw that because RD retweeted it unfortunately but then i proceeded to read the document the guy was talking about and it doesn't in any way direct people to fill out death certificates with COVID19. It says if COVID19 was the no.1 cause of death it should be listed and if you believe with a high degree of certainty that that's what someone died for but you couldn't get them a test for whatever reason than you should mark it as COVID. Read the comments, they're all QAnon peeps, no wonder
I can promise you 10000% that anyone in the world has a clue, Tony Fauci does. There isn't a more respected infectious disease expert out there and that was true way before any of this started and still is. He is one of the all time greats and there is absolutely no one I would rather have heading the NIAID. I don't get into political discussion - but blame anyone you want for what's happening or not happening. But DO NOT blame Tony Fauci.
Is this not exactly what he said?I saw that because RD retweeted it unfortunately but then i proceeded to read the document the guy was talking about and it doesn't in any way direct people to fill out death certificates with COVID19. It says if COVID19 was the no.1 cause of death it should be listed and if you believe with a high degree of certainty that that's what someone died for but you couldn't get them a test for whatever reason than you should mark it as COVID. Read the comments, they're all QAnon peeps, no wonder
Of course there is always a dip but not a dip of such large proportions. That was the point of the chart I put up earlier this week. It's a huge drop. Well above the average drop that we see every year. You don't see that?Someone I think (@HTHog) brought up those pneumonia death figures the other day and how they had dropped since all this started. I replied that it was my guess that most pneumonia deaths were being blamed on COVID 19. I did a little more digging because I wanted to make sure I was correct. I was not. Even on that graph that was posted, you clearly see a downward trend in pneumonia deaths around the same time every year. This is caused by a lag in reporting deaths to the CDC. It is nothing special about this year. Then I found this tweet with this awesome animated gif that clearly shows this.
Sorry. That was my fault in speculating something that was not true.
I'm also a millennial. A 10 min video is the equivalent of a 3 hour doc for me lolMight do you some good to hear it from an "expert" instead of me
its actually over 30 minutes, I just asked you watch the first 10. About the 6 minute mark is what im really concerned with, that's where @nikkichavanelle bowed out, but she did watch some of it at leastI'm also a millennial. A 10 min video is the equivalent of a 3 hour doc for me lol
Do not blame him for what? Overreacting by shutting down our entire country's economy when regional or local shutdowns would have sufficed? Sorry, he gets the blame for that. Still waiting for someone to tell me why a bar in Terlingua Tx, in BFE with zero cases, needs to be treated the same as a bar in NYC and shut down right now. Change my mind.I can promise you 10000% that anyone in the world has a clue, Tony Fauci does. There isn't a more respected infectious disease expert out there and that was true way before any of this started and still is. He is one of the all time greats and there is absolutely no one I would rather have heading the NIAID. I don't get into political discussion - but blame anyone you want for what's happening or not happening. But DO NOT blame Tony Fauci.
We don't have the number of tests necessary to confirm 100% of deaths from COVID19 so yeah, doctors will occasionally have to use context clues but the way that this anchor is phrasing it (especially in the tweet) is like doctors are being directed by the CDC to mark a bunch of deaths as COVID19 without evidence. He then goes on to theorize that this is being done to fear monger and maybe because they get more money that way? SMH. Do we think that little of the CDC and of our doctors?Is this not exactly what he said?
We didn't have the testing necessary in the onset to determine which areas would need to be closed and which wouldn't. At this point it does look like we could reopen some areasDo not blame him for what? Overreacting by shutting down our entire country's economy when regional or local shutdowns would have sufficed? Sorry, he gets the blame for that. Still waiting for someone to tell me why a bar in Terlingua Tx, in BFE with zero cases, needs to be treated the same as a bar in NYC and shut down right now. Change my mind.
Why would they ask doctors to assume cause of death in this instance but not others? That's what he is questioning. He says it plainly when he discusses asking the other lady if it sounded right to her. Why don't we assume flu deaths, or heart attacks etc. That's the questionWe don't have the number of tests necessary to confirm 100% of deaths from COVID19 so yeah, doctors will have to occasionally have to use context clues but the way that this anchor is phrasing it (especially in the tweet) is like doctors are being directed by the CDC to mark a bunch of deaths as COVID19 without evidence. He then goes on to theorize that this is being done to fear monger and maybe because they get more money that way? SMH. Do we think that little of the CDC and of our doctors?
I'm also a millennial. A 10 min video is the equivalent of a 3 hour doc for me lol
We also don't test dead people for every possible cause of pneumonia post-mortem, they simply put pneumoniaWe didn't have the testing necessary in the onset to determine which areas would need to be closed and which wouldn't. At this point it does look like we could reopen some areas
We should all be glad Trump isn’t running the show in this case.That was not my argument???
My argument was would companies such as "Now This" be financially responsible like some say Fox is.
Also, glad to hear you say Trump is 100x smarter than you. I don't think that, I think you're quite smart. You give him too much credit.
jHawg had that rant ready to go just waiting to hit sendThis is the problem with millennials. They've grown up to think it's a microwave society. Everything is instantaneous. Spend as little time on something because they get bored and never learned to grind it out, but yet act like they can pontificate on aspects of life they don't have a F'ing clue about.
Yet, they are still being breast feed by their parents who have had them in bubble wrap their entire life to shield them from any hardships for fear of hurting their self-esteem.
Sorry, rant is over and I realize it's a stereotype...
Because the doctors won’t prescribe it for people with high risk.How in the hell have millions of patients taken this drug for 50 years and not all gone blind or had heart attacks?
I still dont know how anyone could haved lived thrue hog football of the 90s and seen and lived the frenzy of the 98 season and not have some appreciation of Nutt. This state was jacked in 1998 when 8-0 and rated number 4. Like nothing i have witnessed. Nutt is like Trump in alot of ways. People hate him so bad they cannot see the good he has done. I dont get it.
I think the difference is that we're trying to track the progress of this pandemic. We've had flu and heart attacks forever, we pretty much know the average number of those deaths per year already. We're trying to nail down just how deadly this disease is so it's important to count every COVID19 death if you can, without much uncertainty, determine that's what it wasWhy would they ask doctors to assume cause of death in this instance but not others? That's what he is questioning. He says it plainly when he discusses asking the other lady if it sounded right to her. Why don't we assume flu deaths, or heart attacks etc. That's the question
cliffs?This thread will go around and around and around.
I believe the below are undisputed facts to all on this thread
Does that sum things up?
- This virus is highly contagious
- This virus is more lethal than the common flu (how much we are not sure of yet)
- Trump administration, on the advice of experts, shut down the economy to avoid massive amounts of deaths and even more economic pain. These are similar steps that the rest of the world has taken. Some earlier, some later but the US is not unique in this. Experts around the world have agreed, for the most part about what is needed to stem the spread.
- Experts who have spent their entire life doing this, know more than we do but does not mean they are always right
- The models are changing constantly. This angers some people who use it as evidence that we took the wrong steps, while other people think it is because this is an unprecedented event that is very hard to predict
- The total amount of deaths will be somewhere between what they are today and 200k (?)
- The total number of deaths would most definitely be more had the government not taken the steps that they did
- How many more deaths had we kept the economy open? We will literally never know. If it saved one life, then you could argue the economic pain was not worth saving one life, if it saved 500k, maybe it was worth the pain but again we will never know.