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Vince Young got depressed bc he wasn't considered a god anymore after he left Austin, Reggie got more rich and started banging Kim Kardashian, tell me who is the real winner there???

I don't know how to respond? Should I say NFL success isn't part of the discussion? Or should I point out that VY went to 2 more Pro Bowls than Bush and won ROY over him? Should I mention that banging Kim Kardashian isn't a good thing? So many different angles that really have nothing to do with who was the better college player.....
 
I don't know how to respond? Should I say NFL success isn't part of the discussion? Or should I point out that VY went to 2 more Pro Bowls than Bush and won ROY over him? Should I mention that banging Kim Kardashian isn't a good thing? So many different angles that really have nothing to do with who was the better college player.....
Bush won the heisman, in one of the biggest landslide votes in heisman history. Bush is still playing in the NFL, Vince Young is locked up in the Austin Texas jail as we speak. Reggie won a Super Bowl, I can't argue it anymore, I'm done.
 
Vince Young got depressed bc he wasn't considered a god anymore after he left Austin, Reggie got more rich and started banging Kim Kardashian, tell me who is the real winner there???

Man, I actually don't disagree with you (I think a case could be made for VY and Bush), but you're making some terrible arguments.
 
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Vince Young better season/career than Cam in college IMHO. Cam struggled in the champ game versus Oregon. VY had arguably the best game ever by a collegiate QB versus a better USC team, in the Coloseum.
I wouldn't really call 265pa/64ru/2totds struggling. On the season, Cam had 12 more TDs and 240 more yards against SEC defenses while VY went against B12 defenses.
 
Let me guess, you don't like that he shows emotion? That he's not a robot? That he doesn't do it like you would? Not everybody's stiff as a tree like you. I guess professional soccer players aren't acting like professionals either. Especially the women
Nothing wrong with showing emotion or celebrating with your teammates. Wrong... again
 
I wouldn't really call 265pa/64ru/2totds struggling. On the season, Cam had 12 more TDs and 240 more yards against SEC defenses while VY went against B12 defenses.
That game should of been over by the 4th quarter but Cam misfired overthrowing wide open players deep all game long. It was one of his poorest games of the year, on the biggest stage.

Season stats. How many more snaps/plays did Cam run in Gus's HUNH than VY during the season.

Cam was incredible that year. No doubt about it. What Young did that season however, and the way he topped it off...well you all know where I stand on this one.
 
For me, personally, of the players mentioned IIT, its:

Bush<<<Young<<<Newton
 
For me, personally, of the players mentioned IIT, its:

Bush<<<Young<<<Newton

I have to put Cam ahead of VY because of the competition he faced. MSU and USCe won 9 that year. Bama and Arkansas won 10 and LSU won 11. VY had an absolutely legendary game vs USC but the rest of his schedule wasn't near what Newton faced. At least not in my opinion. No one gave that Auburn team a chance. They were a 5 or 6 win team Newton aside imo.
 
VY had an absolutely legendary game vs USC but the rest of his schedule wasn't near what Newton faced.

People forget this now, but that USC defense was not that good that year. The USC team the season before was a better all around team.
 
People forget this now, but that USC defense was not that good that year. The USC team the season before was a better all around team.
He played them in the Colosseum in that bowl game. But yeah, anyone could of went in there and beat Leinert, White, Bush, etc...
 
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I didn't explain it, and I'm definitely not gonna get into it with you, because you would never understand. You'll get it one day, when you finish puberty...
This is comical. Can't see past his own biasness so he tries to condescend another person that is open to a debate. This post right here epitomizes your bias hatred. I feel sorry for you bud.
 
I didn't explain it, and I'm definitely not gonna get into it with you, because you would never understand. You'll get it one day, when you finish puberty...
This is JMHO, but the one that hasn't finished puberty is the one that can't articulate his opposition to the subject at hand. A simple "I hate him cause he's a cheater" would have been sufficient. Knowing this, you're either embarrassed about your true feelings and don't want people to judge the way you feel or we've already guessed it? But I'll take your word for it. Please explain why he isn't a professional (in the simplest of terms) since I haven't hit puberty yet? I'm curious to know what your thinking and why.
 
Most dominating CFB player I've ever seen and now the best player in NFL. Doing all of this with Olsen and a bunch of average WRs. Fun to watch.
Yea I've had to come to terms with his success in the league. Hated him in college because of our game against him and then the whole $180k scandal, but I can't deny his personal growth off the field and his vast improvements on the field. I used to hate his arrogance but now I see the guy killing it at the highest level of the game I love, and making crazy money while doing it, and I feel like if I'm a true fan of the game I have to cheer for a guy who is having the time of his life and absolutely balling out while doing it.

He loves the game. I can't hate that
 
I'm a Newton fan. Maybe I'm an idiot but the idea of a guy that seems to love the game that much and giving back like he does! That makes me a fan. I think he is everything we can hope for from a national figure.
 
This is JMHO, but the one that hasn't finished puberty is the one that can't articulate his opposition to the subject at hand. A simple "I hate him cause he's a cheater" would have been sufficient. Knowing this, you're either embarrassed about your true feelings and don't want people to judge the way you feel or we've already guessed it? But I'll take your word for it. Please explain why he isn't a professional (in the simplest of terms) since I haven't hit puberty yet? I'm curious to know what your thinking and why.
I don't think he's a cheater, and certainly don't hate the guy. Now, his father is obviously a leach and a no good POS.
As far as explaining my take on his professionalism, I just don't wanna get into a discussion with you about it, because you're closed minded to any view that isn't your own... as alot of us are.
Like I've said 5 other times, if you don't understand what I meant by that, then there is no need in discussing it anyway... especially with you, because you are one bullheaded sombitch, and it'll never get through.
 
Explain my "biased hatred"?? I've said a few times, that I don't hate the guy, and I think he is one of the best players in the game today, hands down. So please, explain how I feel and what I think... I'm just not to interested in debating with Minny for the next 3 hrs.
All I said was, He has alot to learn about being a professional. That can be said about 70% of the guys that have been in the NFL for less than 5 years... Biased hatred?? Really?
 
I don't think he's a cheater, and certainly don't hate the guy. Now, his father is obviously a leach and a no good POS.
As far as explaining my take on his professionalism, I just don't wanna get into a discussion with you about it, because you're closed minded to any view that isn't your own... as alot of us are.
Like I've said 5 other times, if you don't understand what I meant by that, then there is no need in discussing it anyway... especially with you, because you are one bullheaded sombitch, and it'll never get through.
In other words you're a coward? I say what I want, when I want, even if no one agrees or understands. And I'm not closed minded, I'm opinionated. There's a difference. And Cam Is where he is today because he has a father. A lot of us didn't. Imo you're a hatin @$$ coward. People like you will always find something wrong. Even if there isn't anything to find. Then you hide behind your keyboard.

Ryan Mallett could learn how to be a professional from Cam.
 
It took VY 3yrs to do that, same as Cam. Both were juniors. Cam choked in that title game continually missing wide open receivers keeping Oregon alive until Mike Dyer bailed him out late with a fluke run via his knees not touching the ground. Young threw and ran for over 200yds against one of the best teams in college football history in his title game, including the winning drive late. Had the Heisman been given out after the bowl games Young would of been unanimous pick.

So, yeah.
That USC defense wasn't good. Major weakness on that team. VY had one of the all time great secondaries playing with him and a great offense around him. Not saying that wasn't an all time great performance but can had the bigger numbers throughout the season and went 14-0 as the only NFL player on that offense, an okay defense, and won the heisman in his only season as a D1 started and then was drafted #1 overall and is about to win NFL MVP and maybe win the SB. Not sure what your deal is here
 
In other words you're a coward? I say what I want, when I want, even if no one agrees or understands. And I'm not closed minded, I'm opinionated. There's a difference. And Cam Is where he is today because he has a father. A lot of us didn't. Imo you're a hatin @$$ coward. People like you will always find something wrong. Even if there isn't anything to find. Then you hide behind your keyboard.

Ryan Mallett could learn how to be a professional from Cam.
Ryan Mallett and Cam could both learn something from Russell Wilson, about being a professional. That kid is a full fledged pro, on and off the field.
A BUNCH of younger guys in the NFL need to learn how to be professionals, and it ain't got a damn thing with doing this and that in your community. That's all good and great, but it don't make you a pro either.
This is exactly the reason that I ain't trying to have a discussion with you. Look at all that shvt you just said, simply because I said the kid has alot to learn about being a pro... And don't even talk to me about not having a father around, bud. Cam got to where he is, because of HIM and what HE has accomplished. His daddy is a no good POS for trying to profit off of son
 
if I have to explain it to you, then you wouldn't understand anyway.
Cam used his charity he founded to feed 900 hungry kids in Charlotte on thanksgiving. He was there personally making plates to hand out, he's not getting into any kind of trouble off the field, his teammate's love him, and he gives his TD balls to little kids in the front row

Some people are just always going to hate this guy. Try to separate who he was at Auburn from who he has become, because they're 2 totally different people
 
I don't think he's a cheater, and certainly don't hate the guy. Now, his father is obviously a leach and a no good POS.
As far as explaining my take on his professionalism, I just don't wanna get into a discussion with you about it, because you're closed minded to any view that isn't your own... as alot of us are.
Like I've said 5 other times, if you don't understand what I meant by that, then there is no need in discussing it anyway... especially with you, because you are one bullheaded sombitch, and it'll never get through.
You don't want to get into it because you're getting owned ITT and it's hilarious.
 
Reggie Bush was so deserving of the Heisman when USC had to try and convert 4th and 1 late in that game, he was on the bench and they went with Lendell White. Bush won the Heisman due to ESPN's hype machine and constant airing of his highlights. VY was the best player in the country that year, by a mile, and proved it versus Bush on his own turf.
Yea it was the hype machine. Not the greatest highlight real season of all time, an NCAA record 8 YPC and over 20 TDs scored every way imaginable. It was the hype machine. It's proven when they hand it to a 235 pound RB who was also drafted who ran for over 1,000 yards that season and was the short yardage back and was on fire that night. Good call
 
Ryan Mallett and Cam could both learn something from Russell Wilson, about being a professional. That kid is a full fledged pro, on and off the field.
A BUNCH of younger guys in the NFL need to learn how to be professionals, and it ain't got a damn thing with doing this and that in your community. That's all good and great, but it don't make you a pro either.
This is exactly the reason that I ain't trying to have a discussion with you. Look at all that shvt you just said, simply because I said the kid has alot to learn about being a pro... And don't even talk to me about not having a father around, bud. Cam got to where he is, because of HIM and what HE has accomplished. His daddy is a no good POS for trying to profit off of son
Dude you're way off. I mean you avoided the subject and then finally posted this stupid shit?
 
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Cam used his charity he founded to feed 900 hungry kids in Charlotte on thanksgiving. He was there personally making plates to hand out, he's not getting into any kind of trouble off the field, his teammate's love him, and he gives his TD balls to little kids in the front row

Some people are just always going to hate this guy. Try to separate who he was at Auburn from who he has become, because they're 2 totally different people
Haha, Tree getting owned ITT yet again.
 
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No point is biggest play of their season and Bush wasn't even on the field. That sound Heisman like to you? Take him away from that Trojan team and they are still dominant. Compare that to VY.
You're clueless. All about matchups on any given play. You want your 235 pound bruiser in on goal line. Not your scat back
 
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