Can the Hogs hire a better coach than BMFP

[Woodshed 1914]

Coach Petrino finished his career at Arkansas 34W-17L. That is an average of 8W-4L per season, So since wins and losses are all that matter; the real question is this: Can we do better than an 8W-4L coach that will lose to Bama every year by an average score of 14 to 36. Even Kentucky faired better in there last 4 games vs Bama with an average score of 17 to 32. Can we expect a coach to do better than a .500 record vs Ole Miss with an average score of 26 to 25. I could go on an on but I will just stop here since wins and losses are all that matter and circumstance donot matter. With that being the case my answer is yes. We can and will do better.

 

[Gosnell Hawg]

Wow thats a stretch ^^^

 

[jdlee23]

The best advice my dad ever game me is that old saying that "nothing is ever as good, or as bad, as it seems". Unfortunately, that mentality seems to be force checked at the door when it comes to internet message boards.

 

[Charlie B Barkin]

Originally posted by HawgsRUs:

Originally posted by Charlie B Barkin:

Originally posted by HawgsRUs:

Originally posted by Hawgindawz:
No Hawgs, I don't think that we will duplicate that immediately but we could get a coach who would be a great stabilizing force and get us moving in the right direction. My contention is simply that we have amazing facilities, nice resources to work with and there are good solid coaches out there and if our SEC West brethren can get good coaches then we should be able to do so as well. BP was a rare talent wrapped up in a mess of a person, he had a wonderful offensive mind and I'm not sure there were many better at calling a game from the sidelines but having said that he had areas that were deficient as well. I want an energetic, young coach with some of BPs flair for offense and with a background of solid defense. One that is a high energy recruiter that can close the deal with a few stud athletes, especially the instate few that are available. I don't know who that is but I don't believe that it's a Tuberville or Jones, not trying to cut either of them, it's just someone else. It'll take time but I don't see us falling into the abyss that so many mention on here and I don't think it'll take another decade to get back up to where we want to be, relevant again. I don't believe that BP is the only person who could do that here, there has to be others.

I'm not trying to put you on the spot....but being "relevant" vs being "elite" like we were is a huge gap...IMO.

"So you're saying there is a chance"?

We were not elite. We were very good but not elite.

We absolutely were Elite...by any definition...there were FOUR teams above us last year, ELEVEN the year before.

You need to do a reality check Charlie...no jokes, no pictures...just get real.

So you become an elite program once you finish in the top15 two years in a row? I don't know why y'all all think the sky is falling if your standards are that low. I am sure whatever coach we get can get us a cotton bowl win and a top 15 finish in four years. Bobby Petrino is a great head coach and maybe we would of become an elite program if he didn't F up but we were never elite under him. Anyone other than a few Arkansas fans would laugh in my face if I claimed we were an elite program, and I wouldn't blame them.

 

[Quenting]

In the abstract, who knows? Petrino was something special. When we lost him, I got physically sick.

In actuality, who could do better?

I actually wish we had hired Muschamp rather than Petrino, and then were able to hold on to him.

My two favorites are in order Sonny Dykes and Tommy Tuberville.

For the life of me I can't see TT's upside as much as SD's, although I think either coach would be
very good.

LSU could very easily have lost to A&M; and I saw the game with Tech and A&M in which A&M barely lost.

And Tech is not even on the map with A&M and LSU regarding recruits, money, facilities, prestige, etc.

I think Tech would beat up on Arkansas this year pretty stoutly. Maybe we've found an identity now,
maybe not.

I believe whoever did the arrows on the coaching possibilities is correct: Tuberville or Dykes. I'm hoping for Dykes.

Dykes has done so much with so little

 

[Shoatstuff]

Originally posted by Danny West:
Short answer is no, Arkansas cannot find a better coach than it had. Nobody likes hearing that but it's the truth.

Never? OK,Bobby is the best darn coach ever,but do you think we can possibly find one that is a whole lot less Stupid?

 

[HawgsRUs]

Originally posted by Charlie B Barkin:

Originally posted by HawgsRUs:

Originally posted by Charlie B Barkin:

Originally posted by HawgsRUs:

Originally posted by Hawgindawz:
No Hawgs, I don't think that we will duplicate that immediately but we could get a coach who would be a great stabilizing force and get us moving in the right direction. My contention is simply that we have amazing facilities, nice resources to work with and there are good solid coaches out there and if our SEC West brethren can get good coaches then we should be able to do so as well. BP was a rare talent wrapped up in a mess of a person, he had a wonderful offensive mind and I'm not sure there were many better at calling a game from the sidelines but having said that he had areas that were deficient as well. I want an energetic, young coach with some of BPs flair for offense and with a background of solid defense. One that is a high energy recruiter that can close the deal with a few stud athletes, especially the instate few that are available. I don't know who that is but I don't believe that it's a Tuberville or Jones, not trying to cut either of them, it's just someone else. It'll take time but I don't see us falling into the abyss that so many mention on here and I don't think it'll take another decade to get back up to where we want to be, relevant again. I don't believe that BP is the only person who could do that here, there has to be others.

I'm not trying to put you on the spot....but being "relevant" vs being "elite" like we were is a huge gap...IMO.

"So you're saying there is a chance"?

We were not elite. We were very good but not elite.

We absolutely were Elite...by any definition...there were FOUR teams above us last year, ELEVEN the year before.

You need to do a reality check Charlie...no jokes, no pictures...just get real.

So you become an elite program once you finish in the top15 two years in a row? I don't know why y'all all think the sky is falling if your standards are that low. I am sure whatever coach we get can get us a cotton bowl win and a top 15 finish in four years. Bobby Petrino is a great head coach and maybe we would of become an elite program if he didn't F up but we were never elite under him. Anyone other than a few Arkansas fans would laugh in my face if I claimed we were an elite program, and I wouldn't blame them.

We finished 5th in the nation, thats elite. I know you can't admit being wrong, its not in your nature...

 

[Danny West]

Arkansas can still win and win big if it hires the right guy, but I just have a hard time believing there's going to be anyone better than Petrino out there for this hire. That's just my honest opinion.

 

[athunt]

Winning the cotton bowl and getting curb stomped by the 2 best teams you played is not elite. Sorry.

It was a good season, and definitely chest thumping worthy but it was not an elite season and we were not an elite team.

What I loved most about Petrino was that he won the games he was supposed to. Meaning, he never lost a game that his team was favored in, never (using my bookies lines). Not once. There are very few coaches who can do that. But I think there are candidates out there that can duplicate Petrinos success and keep us competitive against the elite teams in our division on a yearly basis.

 

[HawgsRUs]

Finishing in the top five is elite. There really is no argument. Ask the 150+ schools that were below us. (or the 150 that are now above us)

 

[athunt]

Originally posted by HawgsRUs:
Finishing in the top five is elite. There really is no argument. Ask the 150+ schools that were below us. (or the 150 that are now above us)

Finishing in the top 5 is a sign of a great season, ecspecially coming from a team in the SEC West, but its not an elite season when you went the Cotton Bowl, 3rd in your division, and both of your losses were 24 point curb stomps.

Maybe we have different definitions of elite. Probably a generational thing.

 

[HawgsRUs]

Nah, you just don't want to give credit. And that probably is a generational thing. You'll grow out of it someday.

 

[Shoatstuff]

Originally posted by Danny West:
Arkansas can still win and win big if it hires the right guy, but I just have a hard time believing there's going to be anyone better than Petrino out there for this hire. That's just my honest opinion.

I'm having a hard time believing we're headed for the seventh month of BP Mourning Sickness....

 

[GoHogs3]

Bobby Petrino is a great offensive mind and a bigtime college football coach. He would be an equal to Saban and maybe better if he was on Bama sidelines IMO. But we are talking about AR and where we are today. The key to winning NC at AR is to build a complete staff with a HC that can build a bigtime staff. That staff has to be able to out recruit those schools around us and improve the overall level of depth we have on our roster. We need a HC that can make the HOGS the Sexy Team and give it the attention in the media that is going to bring positive attention to our program.

I am at the stage where I could take a guy like TT with Paul Petrino as the OC. Hire a bigtime DC that has a proven record on defense and when you mention his name to top recruits they are thinking....Wow....this guy is cool, but tough and he is going to land me in the NFL.

Not sure we can hire a better HC than BP, but I do believe with the right $Budget we can put ourselves in the right place to move our program toward winning those NC we so desire.

 

[athunt]

Originally posted by HawgsRUs:
Nah, you just don't want to give credit. And that probably is a generational thing. You'll grow out of it someday.

Where did I not give credit? I said it was a great season. Your eyes are deceiving you.

Ironic comment about "dont want to give credit" though, ecspecially coming from you.

 

[HawgsRUs]

Whatever...not worth the keystrokes...carry on.

 

[WhiskeyDrunk]

Originally posted by HawgsRUs:
Finishing in the top five is elite. There really is no argument. Ask the 150+ schools that were below us. (or the 150 that are now above us)

Do you consider Oklahoma State, TCU, and/or Boise State elite programs? Other teams that have finished in the top 10 in the past couple years include Cincinnati, Iowa, Utah, Stanford, South Carolina, and Michigan State. If Oregon State, Mississippi State, Louisville, Rutgers, or Kansas State finish in the top 5 this year will they be consider elite?

 

[athunt]

Originally posted by HawgsRUs:
Whatever...not worth the keystrokes...carry on.

This post was edited on 10/23 9:34 AM by athunt

 

[HawgsRUs]

Whiskey how many of those finished #12, then #5 then started out in the top ten for a three year span.

Get back to me when you've done that research....

And you guys are right...we ARE back to being insignificant, you seem much more comfortable wallowing in that arena so enjoy...looks like we'll be there for a while doesn't it?