OT 100% NOT the Official Off-Topic/Politics/Corona Thread
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I mean let’s be honest we go to 247 for hogs content and we stop here to see what @jegreenwood and @Mhhoover92 are doing?
Yeah that was a draft I was working on. I do that a lot, just had forgotten to delete the draft.
It said something along the lines of Nikki actually getting a larger audience due to her fight with you
I think it just boils down to there are some (not me) who feel there were ridiculed in the beginning because they expressed there belief that this was being overblown and the steps taken were to drastic. Now that it appears at least for the time being that they were not so off base in there assumptions they want vindication and verification from those that made them feel this way but instead they get met with equal aggression. Neither side is complete right and neither side is completely wrong. Now back to the kumite.
Quick question for you. What are your thoughts on 42% of the deaths coming from nursing homes?
It's incredibly sad. But these individuals are literally, by definition, already socially distancing. How can we cry out, "socially distance!" when individuals who are literally put in a home for the remainder of their time in society and make up only 0.6% of the population account for 42% of the deaths?
Redemption.
Being told you're a heartless idiot by a 25 year old for 50 pages and then having things come to fruition that you prophesied about and were called a heartless idiot for....................... Well................. it feels good man.
And how can you convince someone with a lick of common since that this is more dangerous than the flu when the flu has killed more people with vaccine and meds for it? All the social distancing variables are the same.
Bingo. Something i have learned over my 50 something years is its ok to say you are wrong. It is liberating to be able to say it. If 600 people had died in Arkansas because of this thing i would be saying i was wrong from the beginning. But when you tell me the flu has killed more than the rona to this point it tells me i wasn't wrong one the first few pages.
My thought, for what it's worth.
This disease is AWFUL and much worse than the flu for individuals 75 and older with pre-existing conditions. We handled the nursing home situation terriblly and have cost the life of nearly 50,000 ederly who are supposed to be monitored round the clock by a medical professional. Additionally, we listened to dooms day scientists (2.2 million will die scientist constanly quoted & additional 7 million people will die scientist) who have countlessly been inaccuracte (which, I know, is impossible) who even ignored his own warnings and was fired because of it. Additionally, I believe we handled the socially distancing aspect of society in March and April. However, to look at the numbers and say to yourself, "we should keep school closed for the fall," is asinine. Repair your nursing home catastrophe and require all individuals 60-65 and older with pre-existing conditions to shelter in place.
This is the quote that stayed with me:
As if arguing the actions taken by the government was an indication of your apathy towards life.
I’ve said it before and lefty called me racist!
The increase in Benton and Washington Counties as of right now is directly tied to the poultry industry - an industry with disproportionate numbers of Hispanic and Marshallese workers. The average household size for Washington County is 2.56 people. For Hispanic households, that number is 4.3. For Marshallese families, that number is 6.0. Also, in both cultural groups type II diabetes, a well known risk factor for more severe COVID19 disease, is more highly prevalent than in other population groups. Both have comparatively worse access to quality healthcare b/c of financial constraints, language barriers, lack of transportation, distrust of the medical system, and inadequate coverage. To put it simply, I said early on that if it ever got into the chicken plants, we’re gonna be the next hotspot. Honestly surprised it took this long. In the coming weeks, you will see a spread outside of these groups. We weathered the first part of the storm pretty easily, but it’s just getting started in NWA.
We have no idea if the first part of your statement is correct yet. The last part of your statement is completely asinine and there isn’t a soul in this thread that wouldn’t agree with me on that.
It just takes one in a nursing home, man. It’ll spread like wildfire. True they are distanced from the rest of society, but one worker or one visitor or one patient returning from a doctors appt and the whole place goes up.
That was my assumption. I've already volunteered to teach remotely this upcoming fall because I don't want to do some damn hybrid system, and I am losing a lot of summer research travel time that I want to make up in the fall. But if NWA does see a localized coronapocalypse, we all may be remote again anyway.
Wearing a mask in public this summer will be just be super. Swamp ass and face. I can't shave the beard or I'll look like @RiloM
We’ll see fellas. I hope y’all are right.
Here’s my promise: if this doesn’t turn out to be the worst public health disaster in this country for the last hundred years, I will HAPPILY come back in here and eat my crow with hot sauce and have seconds.
But y’all need to promise that if it is, you won’t try to find an explanation for why it actually wasn’t.
I agree with you...but 50,000? How can we protect the elderly in a more structured situation than a nursing home? Wouldn't that indicate that the variables that we've in part decided was a "part of the change in original metrics," are more of just information bias.
I'll hang up and listen.
Good thing you said 100 and not 102
. I think for the two clarifiers you put - this country and 100 years - that's already accurate.
and honestly HT, I don’t know. It’s certainly not just you, but I have a lot of respect for you, as much as you can have for someone you’ve never actually met or talked to in person. I will admit that I am a little bit stuck in my old fashioned ways, and maybe that’s not the right way to be anymore. I don’t know. But I was taught my whole life that if a lady tells you you’re crazy for saying the sky is blue, then you smile, nod, and walk away. If a guy says the same thing, you punch him in the mouth for calling you crazy and then beg forgiveness from the Almighty for both of you. I don’t mean to white knight Nikki, but I think I’m more disappointed about her getting piled on by a board full of old guys than anything. Sorry, but that’s how I feel.
What i meant is all the precautions with mask,hand sanitizer, social distance is the same with the flu virus and the Corona virus. If all those precautions saved lives by not transmitting c19 would it be correct saying it saved lives from influenza? Or does all the precautions just effect c19 but not other viruses?
Good thing you said 100 and not 102
There’s not a good answer. Good caregivers aren’t lining up to work in a nursing home. Sure, there are some really good ones, but also a lot of them that are looking for a paycheck and going through the motions. I have been in good ones and I have been in ones that are a step below the county jail.
To be fair, i call nearly everyone racist.......
And the piling on is a tough call when she has given out plenty. Its a slippery slope she has walked in this thread, imo
I have never put on a mask during flu season. I had never heard of “social distancing” until 2020. I have never seen every large gathering cancelled for three months for the flu. So no, we have never gone to anywhere near this degree to protect against a virus. Not even close.
This thread has basically saved the site during this nonsense, let it live!
I still dont think you understand what i am trying to say and its probably my fault. But not sure i know how to any clearer than i have.
So i guess i ask this ? to you. Why are people living scared because of c19 and dont live scared of influenza when it has killed more people with the same social distancing guidelines in place. And why would social distancing and mask ect work to slow c19 spread and not influenza spread?
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Let’s not let this sentimental moment slow this puppy down. Who is next in the ring we need to fill these pages.
It's like an Oklahoma drill.
Also, what do you think of the officer on the neck in Minneapolis? Should he be charged with murder?
@BygCountry I can tell you one thing we don't come here for. Las Vegas shooting conspiracy theories.
I think from what little I know it looks like yes he should and I feel like yes he will be charged with murder. I would bet that he will get the max too. Partly because of social pressure.
I wouldn’t be shocked if the other officers present aren’t charged as well.
Murder, no. Manslaughter? Abso****inlutely
I’m still I’m not sure I understand. First, you are correct, the same precautions should be effective for both. I don’t know where you are getting your preliminary data re: covid19 vs. influenza deaths. I would be happy to look at it. The reason it was initially taken more seriously than influenza was not as much b/c of the death rate but because of the significant increase in transmission when compared to influenza. Even if the death rate was the same, a disease that has the potential to infect significantly more people from each positive case is going to lead to incrementally more deaths.
I would guess they would go with murder 3rd degree
609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.
(b) Whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both.
Manslaughter would almost guarantee a conviction. They cant afford to press for murder and not get a conviction
But it hasnt caused more deaths in Arkansas and alot of other states. So if it is much more contagious than influenza but we have less deaths from it wouldn't it be safe to say it is alot less deadly? That if you caught both you would be more likely to die from influenza than covid? Am I correct?
Maybe but they would want to start high and if they need to come down later then fine. It’s easier to come down to a lesser charge than it is to go up. Plus think of all the pressure they will be under to make a statement. Right or wrong public pressure absolutely plays a role in these things.
Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but this entire episode is on tape. Public pressure should definitely play a part. There needs to be a conviction of whatever they can get.
This guy is an ässhole. Every good cop should hate guys like him.
