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It is more like the Hindenburg. #OneTermer
Be careful what you wish for.

If Trump loses we're going to have a vegetable being propped up by a bunch of socialists. At least the people behind Trump understand basic economics. All the social justice in the world won't accomplish anything without a functioning economy.
 
It's tough bruh. Saturday is a full day of golf followed by a birthday gathering for an old classmate. My ass gonna have to get a room at The Southern Belle, where all the high school kids take their prom dates to bone

golf at prestigious Nashville country club?
 
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Save them for yourself. You will need them.
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Be careful what you wish for.

If Trump loses we're going to have a vegetable being propped up by a bunch of socialists. At least the people behind Trump understand basic economics. All the social justice in the world won't accomplish anything without a functioning economy.

Once elected Joe can sleep all day if he wants because he will have competent people around him that know how to run government.

Does that understanding of basic economics include $1 Trillion annual deficits?
 
You got a link to that quote?
It was here, but ABC has apparently taken the story down already. It won't load for me now

https://www.abcnews.com/fauci.corni...ntclickthislinksincenitdoesntwork/phhhh334558
Yeah I think @Lefty8 just made both of those things up. I haven’t seen where he’s said protesters aren’t at risk for spreading the virus.
I was duped. **** me for trusting anything on the main board.

The tennis stor is 100% true though, I don't have time here at work to search for the video, but it's there
 
Once elected Joe can sleep all day if he wants because he will have competent people around him that know how to run government.

Does that understanding of basic economics include $1 Trillion annual deficits?

I haven't seen any competent Democrats in a while. Please point them out.

Astronomical deficits are a given regardless of which party is in power. They are a constant, and shouldn't be part of the discussion unless one party somehow wakes up and decides to do something about it (spoiler alert: they won't). Neither party gives a rat's ass about being responsible with our money. The difference lies in how they spend the money they print or borrow.

At least Republicans aren't trying to disrupt the wage and price scale unnaturally with a national minimum wage that is probably double what the market dictates it should be in half the country, and that would indisputably lead to higher unemployment and higher prices on necessities. Nor are they (at least the ones currently setting policy in Trump's administration) in favor of globalist policies that will further erode our manufacturing base.

I probably shouldn't have said that Trump's people understand basic economics. But they clearly understand it better than the current iteration of the Democratic party.
 
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Be careful what you wish for.

If Trump loses we're going to have a vegetable being propped up by a bunch of socialists. At least the people behind Trump understand basic economics. All the social justice in the world won't accomplish anything without a functioning economy.

The “bunch of socialists) part is a bit dramatic but I otherwise agree with this.
 
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The “bunch of socialists) part is a bit dramatic but I otherwise agree with this.

Let me be clear. I would've voted for Biden in 2016 had the Democrats not decided to run the worst person to ever hold a major party's nomination in his place. Through most of his political career Biden was reasonably centrist. If he had his faculties about him, and hadn't sold his soul to the "Fight for Fifteen" simpletons or the AOC/Fauxcahontas wannabes to get everyone else to drop out, I'd be more comfortable with him running things than Trump. Biden, like Hildebeast before him, has endorsed economic policies that are too far left to be sustainable.
 
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It was here, but ABC has apparently taken the story down already. It won't load for me now

https://www.abcnews.com/fauci.corni...ntclickthislinksincenitdoesntwork/phhhh334558

I was duped. **** me for trusting anything on the main board.

The tennis stor is 100% true though, I don't have time here at work to search for the video, but it's there
LOL that was a solid fake link

"Fauci.corninavirus.bullshitcomments/don'tclickthislinksinceitdoesntwork/phhhh334558"

My favorite was the "corina" and not "corona"

What was going through your mind with the numbers?

"Ok, it needs to be like...at least 6 digits long...maybe some threes...what's after 3? Oh yeah 4...then some 5s.........and an 8? Yeah, perfect."
 
I haven't seen any competent Democrats in a while. Please point them out.

Astronomical deficits are a given regardless of which party is in power. They are a constant, and shouldn't be part of the discussion unless one party somehow wakes up and decides to do something about it (spoiler alert: they won't). Neither party gives a rat's ass about being responsible with our money. The difference lies in how they spend the money they print or borrow.

At least Republicans aren't trying to disrupt the wage and price scale unnaturally with a national minimum wage that is probably double what the market dictates it should be in half the country, and that would indisputably lead to higher unemployment and higher prices on necessities. Nor are they (at least the ones currently setting policy in Trump's administration) in favor of globalist policies that will further erode our manufacturing base.

I probably shouldn't have said that Trump's people understand basic economics. But they clearly understand it better than the current iteration of the Democratic party.

I agree that both parties do it. The difference is that the Dems make no qualms about their intentions to spend but at least they try to have enough revenue to shrink the budget gap some. The Republicans are just hypocrites. They like having the image of being fiscally responsible but it is just a facade. This theory that tax reduction will somehow miraculously lead to balanced budgets never works. Cutting taxes without cutting spending is just playing Santa Clause. Everyday is Christmas with them.

It isn't a throw away issue for me though. Either we need to raise the revenue to pay for our spending or we need to cut spending.
 
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yeah, seems like that third guy(the filmer) is doing whatever he can to try and get off easy in this case.

Turning in video, saying the first two guys used racial epithets..
 
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I agree that both parties do it. The difference is that the Dems make no qualms about their intentions to spend but at least they try to have enough revenue to shrink the budget gap some. The Republicans are just hypocrites. They like having the image of being fiscally responsible but it is just a facade. This theory that tax reduction will somehow miraculously lead to balanced budgets never works. Cutting taxes without cutting spending is just playing Santa Clause. Everyday is Christmas with them.

It isn't a throw away issue for me though. Either we need to raise the revenue to pay for our spending or we need to cut spending.

I'm not proud of it, but I'm at the point now where I assume that deficits and ongoing debt are here to stay until the country finally collapses under the weight of it all. Given that assumption, I prefer to keep more of what I have rather than sending it to a government that isn't going to spend wisely, regardless of which party is in power. I would gladly pay more taxes if the increase came with an ironclad assurance through constitutional amendment that the increase would go specifically to debt reduction.
 
https://www.thedailybeast.com/white...-security-barrier-is-actually-an-antifa-setup

More of that #fakenews. Thanks Donald.

"The official White House Twitter account circulated a video on Wednesday afternoon falsely claiming antifa had placed bricks and stones on sidewalks to incite violence amid widespread protests over the death of George Floyd. The video, which has since been deleted, was actually of a year-old security barrier outside a Jewish community center in Los Angeles meant to protect against anti-Semitic car attacks. The Chabad of Sherman Oaks took to Facebook earlier this week to debunk conspiracy theories surrounding its anti-ramming security barriers and announce that the barriers would be temporarily removed to “alleviate people’s concerns” that they could be used in protests."
 
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/white...-security-barrier-is-actually-an-antifa-setup

More of that #fakenews. Thanks Donald.

"The official White House Twitter account circulated a video on Wednesday afternoon falsely claiming antifa had placed bricks and stones on sidewalks to incite violence amid widespread protests over the death of George Floyd. The video, which has since been deleted, was actually of a year-old security barrier outside a Jewish community center in Los Angeles meant to protect against anti-Semitic car attacks. The Chabad of Sherman Oaks took to Facebook earlier this week to debunk conspiracy theories surrounding its anti-ramming security barriers and announce that the barriers would be temporarily removed to “alleviate people’s concerns” that they could be used in protests."
Im cool with setting up the Soros funded, domestic terror group. The ends will justify the means. Sorta like the dossier
 
Thought I’d bring us back to the Rona for a bit. The leading study that caused the WHO to stop trials on hydroxychloroquin was fabricated.

Reminded me of an earlier conversation in this thread
Shit, I was hoping to get in here before someone put this out there. Let me give a little context, if I may.
I had a long conversation last night with a good friend and fellow immunologist about this. Is this bad. Yeah it is. Two studies, one in The Lancet and one in The New England Journal of Medicine used data from an independent data analysis group that we are all going to be hearing a lot more about in the coming days, Surgisphere. The Lancet paper looked at the benefit of HCQ +/- azithromycin in the treatment of COVID19. It found no benefit. It was also the paper that pointed out the supposedly significantly increased risks of cardiac arrhythmia when using HCQ for treatment of COVID19. This is by far the more problematic of the two studies involved as it concluded not only no benefit, but significantly increased risk. The NEJM paper looked at the potential risks of patients on ACE-inhibitors and angiotensin receptor blockers - ARBs (like lisinopril and valsartan- a couple of the most commonly prescribed blood pressure medications), and concluded that while underlying cardiovascular disease was indeed a risk for severe disease, ACEi and ARB's did not pose an increased risk. After publication, several red flags were noted in the data (which as I said was provided by this independent group) from both studies and both journals issued what is called an "Expression of Concern" with the studies. Each will review the data provided and decide whether to retract the articles completely or amend their findings.

The authors of both studies, as well as the doctors assigned to "peer review" these studies are certainly at fault here. While I find it quite difficult to believe that both the authors and reviewers had any nefarious intent in mind, I know that many will see it that way unfortunately and I can understand why. One thing I would say is that I have been a reviewer multiple times over the course of my career and have recommended and not recommended many articles for publication. When you are asked to review a paper prior to publication, you know who the authors are, but there is no written or oral communication between the reviewer and the author. The author is not provided the names of who will be reviewing the paper. Also there are multiple reviewers and each is at a different institution. So even if the authors did have nefarious intent, it would not be possible to get "in cahoots" with reviewers to push the study and thus the nefarious intent towards publication. But yeah, at least at the current time, pre-publication peer review appears to have failed. Who knows the reason why, though the pressure to get any and all information out as quickly as possible when the virus is concerned undoubtedly played a role. The other group that has a LOT of questions to answer is this data analysis group Surgisphere. If there is an intent to mislead, that is the most logical place to point the finger. I don't know much about them or what there potential motivation for providing sketchy data might be.

My sincere hope is that the (much deserved) outcry surrounding these two studies doesn't extend to other studies. Sure, we want to make sure that what gets reported in the medical literature is analyzed for validity. But at a time when a large portion of our population is already losing faith in the medical field and in research science, the last thing we need is more doubt cast upon us and a further erosion of trust in science. I just hope that each study can be looked at and judged on it's own merit and not simply dismissed as "lies and fake news" because of what is happening with these two studies. The NEJM has a long track record as the most reputable medical journal in the world. This certainly has the potential to be a black eye for it though. The Lancet definitely has a bit of a checkered past, most notably the publication of the Wakefield vaccines and autism study, whose data was of course proven to be entirely falsified by it's authors.

Anyway, I'm sorry for the novel i just wrote and I am sorry I had to write it, but I felt it was important to say.
 
I'm not proud of it, but I'm at the point now where I assume that deficits and ongoing debt are here to stay until the country finally collapses under the weight of it all. Given that assumption, I prefer to keep more of what I have rather than sending it to a government that isn't going to spend wisely, regardless of which party is in power. I would gladly pay more taxes if the increase came with an ironclad assurance through constitutional amendment that the increase would go specifically to debt reduction.

It's difficult to figure out how to spend "wisely" because everyone has different opinions on what is important. For many on the right, defunding the EPA seems like a good idea, but people on the left staunchly disagree. Just one example. The same applies to military spending. It's a complicated issue.
 
Shit, I was hoping to get in here before someone put this out there. Let me give a little context, if I may.
I had a long conversation last night with a good friend and fellow immunologist about this. Is this bad. Yeah it is. Two studies, one in The Lancet and one in The New England Journal of Medicine used data from an independent data analysis group that we are all going to be hearing a lot more about in the coming days, Surgisphere. The Lancet paper looked at the benefit of HCQ +/- azithromycin in the treatment of COVID19. It found no benefit. It was also the paper that pointed out the supposedly significantly increased risks of cardiac arrhythmia when using HCQ for treatment of COVID19. This is by far the more problematic of the two studies involved as it concluded not only no benefit, but significantly increased risk. The NEJM paper looked at the potential risks of patients on ACE-inhibitors and angiotensin receptor blockers - ARBs (like lisinopril and valsartan- a couple of the most commonly prescribed blood pressure medications), and concluded that while underlying cardiovascular disease was indeed a risk for severe disease, ACEi and ARB's did not pose an increased risk. After publication, several red flags were noted in the data (which as I said was provided by this independent group) from both studies and both journals issued what is called an "Expression of Concern" with the studies. Each will review the data provided and decide whether to retract the articles completely or amend their findings.

The authors of both studies, as well as the doctors assigned to "peer review" these studies are certainly at fault here. While I find it quite difficult to believe that both the authors and reviewers had any nefarious intent in mind, I know that many will see it that way unfortunately and I can understand why. One thing I would say is that I have been a reviewer multiple times over the course of my career and have recommended and not recommended many articles for publication. When you are asked to review a paper prior to publication, you know who the authors are, but there is no written or oral communication between the reviewer and the author. The author is not provided the names of who will be reviewing the paper. Also there are multiple reviewers and each is at a different institution. So even if the authors did have nefarious intent, it would not be possible to get "in cahoots" with reviewers to push the study and thus the nefarious intent towards publication. But yeah, at least at the current time, pre-publication peer review appears to have failed. Who knows the reason why, though the pressure to get any and all information out as quickly as possible when the virus is concerned undoubtedly played a role. The other group that has a LOT of questions to answer is this data analysis group Surgisphere. If there is an intent to mislead, that is the most logical place to point the finger. I don't know much about them or what there potential motivation for providing sketchy data might be.

My sincere hope is that the (much deserved) outcry surrounding these two studies doesn't extend to other studies. Sure, we want to make sure that what gets reported in the medical literature is analyzed for validity. But at a time when a large portion of our population is already losing faith in the medical field and in research science, the last thing we need is more doubt cast upon us and a further erosion of trust in science. I just hope that each study can be looked at and judged on it's own merit and not simply dismissed as "lies and fake news" because of what is happening with these two studies. The NEJM has a long track record as the most reputable medical journal in the world. This certainly has the potential to be a black eye for it though. The Lancet definitely has a bit of a checkered past, most notably the publication of the Wakefield vaccines and autism study, whose data was of course proven to be entirely falsified by it's authors.

Anyway, I'm sorry for the novel i just wrote and I am sorry I had to write it, but I felt it was important to say.

Can you dumb this down a bit, or a lot.
 
It's difficult to figure out how to spend "wisely" because everyone has different opinions on what is important. For many on the right, defunding the EPA seems like a good idea, but people on the left staunchly disagree. Just one example. The same applies to military spending. It's a complicated issue.
Which Republicans want to de-fund the EPA?
 


Trump's budget would eliminate 50 EPA programs and impose massive cuts to research and development, while also nixing money for the Energy Star rating system. The Energy Star program, which measures the efficiency of electronics and appliances, would instead rely on businesses to pay a fee to participate in the program.


nice... you can make a really inefficient appliance, but just pay to get a good rating. Seems legit.
 
Trump's budget would eliminate 50 EPA programs and impose massive cuts to research and development, while also nixing money for the Energy Star rating system. The Energy Star program, which measures the efficiency of electronics and appliances, would instead rely on businesses to pay a fee to participate in the program.


nice... you can make a really inefficient appliance, but just pay to get a good rating. Seems legit.
Seems you would have to pay for a bad rating as well
 
Trump's budget would eliminate 50 EPA programs and impose massive cuts to research and development, while also nixing money for the Energy Star rating system. The Energy Star program, which measures the efficiency of electronics and appliances, would instead rely on businesses to pay a fee to participate in the program.


nice... you can make a really inefficient appliance, but just pay to get a good rating. Seems legit.
Ovens account for 43.8% of the electricity usage in America. We must have that sticker.
 
It's difficult to figure out how to spend "wisely" because everyone has different opinions on what is important. For many on the right, defunding the EPA seems like a good idea, but people on the left staunchly disagree. Just one example. The same applies to military spending. It's a complicated issue.

You should read Dan Crenshaw's new book, Fortitude. It's not really a political book - more of a life skills, self-improvement text - but he does use a few examples of current events to illustrate some of his points. One of them is a discussion of some of the Obama-era EPA regulations that were rolled back. Like you said, it's not as simple as one would think. Crenshaw offers a very good explanation of how the regulations in question could actually be hindering environmental progress.
 
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Can you dumb this down a bit, or a lot.
two studies in two separate medical journals used patient data collected by an independent company that collects, assimilates, and analyzes this data. After each study was published, people began to express some concerns with inconsistencies in this data which could possibly alter the results of the studies. These inconsistencies were overlooked or ignored by the authors of the studies as well as the outside researchers assigned to review these studies and either recommend them for publication or reject them. Each journal has acknowledged the questions surrounding how valid the data obtained from this company, Surgisphere, is and both have promised that the data will be reanalyzed and checked for validity. One study involves whether hydroxycholoroquine is effective in treating COVID19 and how safe it is in this setting. The other involves whether certain classes of blood pressure medication pose an increased risk of severe COVID19 infection in those taking them.
 
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In other words, in the interest of being able to quickly publish a very large study, these two research groups relied on an outside service to compile all of their patient data and then the researchers analyzed it as opposed to the researchers collecting all of the data from multiple hospitals in multiple countries on their own - a very time-consuming process. Since the studies were published, there have been a lot of red flags raised about this data and the private company that collected and compiled it.
 
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