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This is the problem at hand that seemingly will not and cannot be solved. Each side only sees it from their perspective that supports their confirmation bias.

Because it has been shown that most Americans can‘t think for themselves and believe everything they read and hear on TV, this divisiveness will continue to threaten our democracy.

Those who are in the middle and can see both extremes are ridiculous, Trump has implemented some good policy but is a complete social ruhtard, agree that George Floyd's death was beyond abhorrent and police brutality is an issue, but that looting, stealing, arson, and the shit show going on right now is bullshit... are left to wallow in no man's land and are letting these GD extremists on both sides ruin it for everyone!

I agree with this. This country coming together at the seams has to make Comrade Putin smile.
 
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Sorry just seen this. It will take me a minute because there is a lot here but I’ll give my thoughts for what it’s worth.
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I’ll try to just give my thoughts in there bullet points
1 Many departments don’t provide adequate training to nonviolent solutions. I agree, I believe I said in a earlier post that more training is needed and most often welcomed. It just has to be funded which ultimately falls back on the citizens thru taxes. I just hope that people realize it when there asked to vote for a tax that goes to it.
2 Standards for what constitutes brutality vary widely. I agree with this also to some degree. I mean I try to just use what I consider common sense on this but I don’t think sense is to common these days lol. Every state or more so every region is gonna see things differently. I just don’t know how to make that better. I don’t know.
3 Consequences for misconduct are minimal. This is probably the best and most effective place to start if we really want things to change. I am 100% on board with making the playing field even on this. With that said “even“ means they get a trial like everyone else. I’ve seen to many people getting mad and claiming it’s unfair when things don’t move the way they think it should even when it is the way it’s supposed to be done. I’ve also seen people want particular charges at times even when it doesn’t fit the statute.
4 Settlements are shifted to the taxpayers. You gotta blame the defense lawyers here lol. The defense determines who they sue and they typically go for the most money. Normally they include the officer, the department and the town/county. Out of those which do you think will get them the most. 30-50k dollar a year police officer or the others.
5 Minorities are unfairly targeted. It’s hard for me to give anymore insight on this then anyone else I guess. I can only speak for me and the the guys I work with. I can tell you I live in a town that is probably 70% white, 20% Hispanic and 10% black. (Just a guess on the percentages). And the last time I was in the jail I would assume that those percentages were probably pretty fairly represented. I would love to see a audit of my community to see if it’s numbers were on par with what I believe.
6 Police are increasingly militarized.
This is tough for me because I see the point but I also believe that threats change over time and the general public are more capable of causing harm now then they were in the past. For example 25-30 years ago people couldn’t go to the Internet and learn how to make pipe bombs or things like that. I guess my thought is it’s better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it.
7 Police themselves say misconduct is remarkably widespread. If by widespread they mean there are dumbasses in every department then I guess I agree with that. I still don’t believe it is anywhere close to the majority. This is where it’s everyone’s responsibility to fix it. Cops have to stand up against those that disgrace the badge and the public needs to agree that we need to up our odds on finding candidates that aren’t in it for a power trip.
And finally I point to what they said at the end about police wearing body cams and how it reduced incidents. I’m completely on board with this and luckily it is heading in that direction. Its stupid at this point for departments not to do this. It helps protect the public and the officer. Sorry for the long post but I tried not to miss anything in the article.
 
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I’ll try to just give my thoughts in there bullet points
1 Many departments don’t provide adequate training to nonviolent solutions. I agree, I believe I said in a earlier post that more training is needed and most often welcomed. It just has to be funded which ultimately falls back on the citizens thru taxes. I just hope that people realize it when there asked to vote for a tax that goes to it.
2 Standards for what constitutes brutality vary widely. I agree with this also to some degree. I mean I try to just use what I consider command sense on this but I don’t think sense is to common these days lol. Every state or more so every region is gonna see things differently. I just don’t know how to make that better. I don’t know.
3 Consequences for misconduct are minimal. This is probably the best and most effective place to start if we really want things to change. I am 100% on board with making the playing field even on this. With that said “even“ means they get a trial like everyone else. I’ve seen to many people getting mad and claiming it’s unfair when things don’t move the way they think it should even when it is the way it’s supposed to be done. I’ve also seen people want particular charges at times even when it doesn’t fit the statute.
4 Settlements are shifted to the taxpayers. You gotta blame the defense lawyers here lol. The defense determines who they sue and they typically go for the most money. Normally they include the officer, the department and the town/county. Out of those which do you think will get them the most. 30-50k dollar a year police officer or the others.
5 Minorities are unfairly targeted. It’s hard for me to give anymore insight on this then anyone else I guess. I can only speak for me and the the guys I work with. I can tell you I live in a town that is probably 70% white, 20% Hispanic and 10% black. (Just a guess on the percentages). And the last time I was in the jail I would assume that those percentages were probably pretty fairly represented. I would love to see a audit of my community to see if it’s numbers were on par with what I believe.
6 Police are increasingly militarized.
This is tough for me because I see the point but I also believe that threats change over time and the general public are more capable of causing harm now then they were in the past. For example 25-30 years ago people couldn’t go to the Internet and learn how to make pipe bombs or things like that. I guess my thought is it’s better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it.
7 Police themselves say misconduct is remarkably widespread. If by widespread they mean there are dumbasses in every department then I guess I agree with that. I still don’t believe it is anywhere close to the majority. This is where it’s everyone’s responsibility to fix it. Cops have to stand up against those that disgrace the badge and the public needs to agree that we need to up our odds on finding candidates that aren’t in it for a power trip.
And finally I point to what they said at the end about police wearing body cams and how it reduced incidents. I’m completely on board with this and luckily it is heading in that direction. Its stupid at this point for departments not to do this. It helps protect the public and the officer. Sorry for the long post but I tried not to miss anything in the article.

The last section on body cams is why I thought to ask you. You’ve mentioned it a few times.

Thanks for the point by point. I don’t agree that all cops are ässholes either, but the interesting point I thought about police abuse being systemic is that not all cops have to be ässholes in order for that to be true. If each station nation wide has a couple, that appears to be systemic.

I think it’s typically true that the most difficult people to reprimand (or police) are those that were close to or identity with. The other 3 officers involved in Floyd’s death, for example, just stood there. Does that mean they approved or are bad cops? Not necessarily. But it’s difficult to publicly stand against someone in the moment that you typically stand next to the rest of the time. I don’t know how we overcome that.

I think it works to their point about juries typically siding with police also. Or giving them a greater benefit of the doubt. It may seem right even it is just based on expectations or perceptions. So the larger system becomes an enabler of bad police behavior as it’s corrupted by an affliction that is much smaller then what it appears to be.
 
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Go look up past Presidents “showing respect” to St Johns. Quite a bit different than holding up a Bible upside down and taking a photo. As the leaders of the church have said, tear gassing people so you can take a photo is the exact opposite of showing respect to a place like St Johns.
lol u feel for fakenews again.

They usually do if you haven’t figured that out yet.
This guy has been spot on for years. If it’s an opinion or a guess, he says so, but if it’s a fact, it’s backed up with proof as he does in that article.
looks like Solomon was right yet again.
 
7 Police themselves say misconduct is remarkably widespread. If by widespread they mean there are dumbasses in every department then I guess I agree with that. I still don’t believe it is anywhere close to the majority. This is where it’s everyone’s responsibility to fix it. Cops have to stand up against those that disgrace the badge and the public needs to agree that we need to up our odds on finding candidates that aren’t in it for a power trip.

How hard is it for one officer to correct another officers actions when he thinks that the actions taking place are wrong or will further escalate a situation when it's not necessary?
 
How hard is it for one officer to correct another officers actions when he thinks that the actions taking place are wrong or will further escalate a situation when it's not necessary?
I don’t think it is hard necessarily. I guess the hardest part is a lot of times you have spent a lot of time with this guys and probably depended on them with your life. Closest thing probably to compare it to his military members. Kind of a brother hood thing. It doesn’t matter if it is hard or not really tho. I doesn’t justify not doing it. It’s just something that needs to change.
 
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How hard is it for one officer to correct another officers actions when he thinks that the actions taking place are wrong or will further escalate a situation when it's not necessary?
Might be harder when you think when one is a 15 plus year veteran and the other is a rookie. Other than that, idk
 
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You misunderstood me. An old saying goes, you can’t fix stupid, but you can mute it. Hence duck tape.
lol u ain’t hard to understand gramps. I understood ur shot, so I threw one. Besides, my left nutt is smarter than u. I’m still trying to figure out what you’ve contributed to this thread anyway?
 
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Conservative two weeks ago: “End the lockdowns, we have rights”

Conservatives now: “Yeah, dominate the protesters, they are out past their mandated bedtime!”
Once again a terrible comparison for cheeze. You're comparing people leagally protesting during the day wanting to open up their business in order to survive versus thugs and hoodlums looting and burning down buildings, ie... illegal activity. Legal vs illegal yet you want to make them the same?

You do yourself no favors when you do these bad comparisons.
 
Once again a terrible comparison for cheeze. You're comparing people leagally protesting during the day wanting to open up their business in order to survive versus thugs and hoodlums looting and burning down buildings, ie... illegal activity. Legal vs illegal yet you want to make them the same?

You do yourself no favors when you do these bad comparisons.

Once again you twist the narrative to the rioters instead of the protesters. What’s your agenda?
 
what does the cdc have to do with anything related to what happened? Plus I see wapo

Well reading the article I wrote would answer that... but ya know, I see you like to make your own assumptions without facts.

You've got one of those "big brains" that Donald Trump is always bragging about.
 
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