Republicans would have impeached Obama for the same things if they could have. Saying the GOP is going centrist is laughable.
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Wut..........
You do realize Republicans had the house and senate in 2014, right?
I do. They didn’t have anything to impeach Obama for or they would have tried. I suppose you’re forgetting that the house judiciary committee held a hearing where republicans and their experts went on and on about why Obama should be impeached.
Don't know what all has been posted. Haven't read all the pages. Here's my 2 bits. On the voting for President, both sides have probably cheated to some degree. The degree and proving are yet to be seen. Unless they can show proof that there was manipulation with the voting software that was swinging votes from Trump to Biden , it's won't be enough.
"Republicans would have impeached Obama for the same things if they could have..."
They didn't fabricate an issue that no one gave a shit about the moment nothing came of it. Democrats were looking for ANYTHING to impeach Trump on, you know because of delusion, and found some charmin soft bull shit to push on their progressives as they thought this would help with 2020 as it did with 2018. This is known…because dozens of them said it.
But, you're equating a group talking about offenses in their severity and another group that DID impeach and hand out commemorative pens.
The left has gone bonkers.
No doubt in my mind is it on both sides. I'm in the camp that let's just move on...no need to keep looking into this...but I do think we need to do away with absentee, mail in, and provisional bull shit.
I can do my taxes electronically which is FAR more important and contains FAR more personal information than my vote, but I can only do that using the antequated post office.
Make the shit electronic. It will drastically increase voter response...but at least we'll have the ability to quickly assess whether or not there is fraud. Saying, "they put in 500 bad ones," in a pile of 30k votes is almost impossible to validate.
It’s true. It’s just laughable that you think the right has any ****ing high grand whatsoever. Trump is the right at the moment. And it’s widely accepted that he’s batshit crazy.
LOL....
You do realize the reason Trump lost is because of the amount of individuals who are R who decided not to vote for him, right?
Wisconsin: 20,539 difference in GE; however, GOP has 92k more votes than Dems for the legislature...so 112k GOP leaning individuals voted for Biden.
Pennsylvania: 48k difference in GE; however, GOP has 120k more votes than Dems for the legislature...so 160k....160k GOP leaning individuals voted for Biden.
Georgia: 14k differerence in GE; however, GOP has 95k more votes than Dems for the legislature...so 110k GOP leaning individuals voted for Biden.
How else do you think the GOP did so substantially better down vote than was anticipated but lost in the presidential? It's because there was a rebuke by the R party of Trump.
In the largest voter turnout in history...it would have gone for Trump if Republicans voted straight ticket.
Dems don't need to go centrist in my opinion. It won't win over conservatives. If you have a conservative vs a conservative lite, why would they win any new voters that way. They win new voters independents and some conservatives with populist ideas, they may lose some "moderates" thats want to continue with the status quo, but their gains elsewhere will outweigh them in my opinion.
I agree and disagree. The reason I agree is everything you just said, " If you have a conservative vs a conservative lite, why would they win any new voters that way." I disagree because the new progressive D movement may be bringing over more votes for Rs than gaining for Ds.
Ds and Rs are in an interesting spot right now: how do I keep my "passionate outliers" while not bleeding central voters. Ds are a bit in the tougher situation, IMO, because they rely almost unanimously on cities...so you can't really stop going progressive...if you did, you'd lose the piggy bank of votes that is the overwhelming foundation of the current D party. Rs will be interesting because if there is one thing Trump did, was get the rural individual to care about politics. I do think it's a bit disingenuous to assume those "rural individuals" are stupid white people, as Rs lost a lot of the white vote this go around and actually got substantially more of the minority vote than they've ever gotten. However, how do you keep those people interested and voting and bring back all of the moderate bleeders that lost you this election? IMO, it's keep pointing out instances such as this push by Ds to go “more progressive.” Both the rural individual and the suburban individual showed the ACAB movement & socialist movement is universally disliked by Rs. So, I would get a moderate person who goes hard in the paint on the progressives of the Ds...
2022 will be interesante.
It was new voters, not republicans. I think his support among republicans was in the 90’s.
Jesus christ.
What has more propensity for error, humans hand counting millions of ballots, or machines specifically designed to do so?
It's an exit poll, so I don't know how accurate it is. However, it's a comparison to your comment on an exit poll, but most first time voters said they went D.
NYT Exit Poll
New voters were heavily anti trump. Not pro Biden.. they were young and orange man bad people. It’s reflected in every exit poll across the nation.
No doubt. I think normal people realize orange man is bad.
I think we are all in agreement that it won’t be enough, but most think trump should concede and I think I’m the only one that thinks he should be able to go through the legal process if he chooses. In my opinion the legal process is a win for both parties and democracy. Unless of course there is wide spread voter fraud and in that situation it still benefits democracy by holding people accountable. Also, it is completely within trumps rights to contest voter fraud.
What do you not like about his policy? Obviously he is an asshat, but as far as policy he has done amazing things for this country. How can you deny that?
I mean, I could spell it out for you but we both know how that’ll go so I’ll just, instead, say that his Corona response on its own made him deserve being booted from office in historic fashion.
What could he have done better? We have a vaccine that’s 90% effective in less than a year due to operation warp speed, he placed travel bans ( that Biden opposed along with nearly every D) he didn’t use the biggest power grab of our lifetime and use the fed to control American people because he thought it would be unconstitutional, he allowed states to set their own mandates, which is a huge deal. But the case you are giving is one thing in the last 4 years, that is literally a global pandemic that NO ONE did well with because there is no good way to handle it.
Eh, this one seems like a nothingburger. It's nepotism defined, but not disimilar to what Trump does with Mar-a-largo and others.
At the end of the day, that district loves her. Give the people what they want.
Any legality issues here or is it just a smear campaign. I’m not in tune with campaign law at all, so I’m pretty ignorant on the subject.
I agree with most of this, but I do think, ironically, how he handled the virus will keep our economy turning in the right direction rather than what's going on with the other OECD countries who are going into their second lockdowns.
We flattened the curve, opened the economy back up, and began protecting the vulnerable exponentially better. The last part, was a gubernatorial decision and not a federal one...it would actually be unconstitutional for Trump to say, "you must sequester these people in your states."
NY, NJ, PA, and other blue states royally screwed up with their elderly.
Unless its shown they are getting contracts for projects they're not remotely professionals in, no, not that I'm aware of.
This recount in Georgia will probably let us know everything we need to know about voter fraud except for the cities of Philadelphia and Detroit. I think philly and Detroit will have large amounts of fraud both ways.
Milwaukee is the one I'd like to see recounted to be honest. It was something like a 130k-1,500 ballot drop at 3am on Wednesday morning. Wisconsin was nearly 100% voter turnout.
I think if they just switch from the Chinese voting software to the Russian voting software Trump will win.
No doubt...give the people what they want!
But seriously, I'm 100% on board with a purely electronic voting scheme.
I think we've learned how polls haven't been really accurate. I don't have any trust in them.
I'm for electronic voting if there is a way to validate the votes. Not sure how they can do that.
I agree with that too, history of fixed elections just steers me to those cities.
Agree 100%. Take the legal process as far as they can. Maybe they can expose and close some of ways people are cheating the system.
Doesn't look like things are going so well in Trump land in Pennsylvania.
lawandcrime.com
Trump Lawyer Admits to Judge: We're Not Alleging Fraud | Law & Crime
There's a big difference between a) waving around a stack of affidavits in a safe space and b) bringing your claims before a judge. We saw that difference on Tuesday in the Trump campaign's case in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania.
lawandcrime.com
Impeccable timing. Just do a search of what’s going on in PA right now lol. No idea if it’s true.Doesn't look like things are going so well in Trump land in Pennsylvania.
Trump Lawyer Admits to Judge: We're Not Alleging Fraud | Law & Crime
There's a big difference between a) waving around a stack of affidavits in a safe space and b) bringing your claims before a judge. We saw that difference on Tuesday in the Trump campaign's case in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania.
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When basically asked to tell the truth at the risk of perjury, the lawyer fessed up and say yes, people from both sides where in the room. lol
When basically asked to tell the truth at the risk of perjury, the lawyer fessed up and say yes, people from both sides where in the room. lol
