Emergency Meeting - Board of Trustees

[Hogaholic071990]

How many of those hospital beds are full of people that have been vaccinated or are there for underlying serious medical conditions? Running out of hospital beds -- I drive by a hospital every day that is nearly empty.

Would love to know how you can ascertain that the hospital is nearly empty by driving by. These patients aren’t driving themselves in many times, but come by ambulance. Patients are also typically maxed at one guest, and that’s if the patient doesn’t have covid. If they do, unless they’re on the verge of death, guests are not allowed. So rather than look at the parking lot and decide for yourself it’s all a bunch of BS. Maybe you should listen to what the hospitals themselves are saying.

Arkansas:

Only 8 ICU beds available in Arkansas as hospitalizations increase | Arkansas Democrat Gazette

Only eight intensive care unit beds were available in the state Monday when the state's hospitalizations increased by 103 to 1,376, the largest daily increase since the pandemic began.

www.arkansasonline.com

A CLOSER LOOK: hospital ICU beds at a premium due to Delta variant

ARKANSAS (KNWA/KFTA) — Every year the American Hospital Association (AHA) surveys U.S. hospitals — it includes bed occupancy and now COVID-19 bed occupancy projection, due to the pandemic. Governor…

www.nwahomepage.com

Louisiana : https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/t...al-says-state-in-darkest-days-of-pandemic.amp

Florida:

Covid cases overwhelm the Gulf Coast, leaving region with no I.C.U. beds. (Published 2021)

www.nytimes.com

Alabama:

Alabama Hospitals Have Run Out Of ICU Beds As COVID-19 Cases Surge

There are 29 more patients than there are open ICU beds as of Wednesday. The recent run, reminiscent of early in the pandemic, is occurring largely in states with the lowest vaccination rates.

www.npr.org

Mississippi:

Mississippi officials sound off about no capacity in ICUs statewide

State data show, from July 9 to Aug. 5, 97% of new COVID-19 infections, 89% of hospitalizations and 82% of deaths occurred in unvaccinated residents.

amp.clarionledger.com

Mississippi hospitals request over 1,450 health care workers to fill state's needs

Seventy-three Mississippi hospitals are collectively asking for around 1,400 health care workers, MSDH's Jim Craig said Wednesday.

amp.clarionledger.com

Texas:

Dozens of Texas hospitals are out of ICU beds as COVID-19 cases again overwhelm the state's capacity

"This surge is by far the fastest and most aggressive that we've seen," said the health authority for Austin and Travis County, who urged eligible Texans to get vaccinated.

www.texastribune.org

I don’t know if you are under the impression that the top doctors and administrators from all of these hospitals across all of these states have come together to lie to you about their capacity but I think it should go without saying that that’s not the case.

And as to your comment on why vaccinated people care about whether or not others are. It’s for this very point I’m making above. The hospitals are getting overrun and if you or I or anyone have a family member that heaven forbid is in an accident or has a heart attack or needs dialysis… there are many patients that are not capable of getting the care that they need because you can’t get in at nearly any of our major hospitals where needed specialists and resources are located.

 

[MR_ARKANSAS]

Would love to know how you can ascertain that the hospital is nearly empty by driving by. These patients aren’t driving themselves in many times, but come by ambulance. Patients are also typically maxed at one guest, and that’s if the patient doesn’t have covid. If they do, unless they’re on the verge of death, guests are not allowed. So rather than look at the parking lot and decide for yourself it’s all a bunch of BS. Maybe you should listen to what the hospitals themselves are saying.

Arkansas:

Only 8 ICU beds available in Arkansas as hospitalizations increase | Arkansas Democrat Gazette

Only eight intensive care unit beds were available in the state Monday when the state's hospitalizations increased by 103 to 1,376, the largest daily increase since the pandemic began.

www.arkansasonline.com

A CLOSER LOOK: hospital ICU beds at a premium due to Delta variant

ARKANSAS (KNWA/KFTA) — Every year the American Hospital Association (AHA) surveys U.S. hospitals — it includes bed occupancy and now COVID-19 bed occupancy projection, due to the pandemic. Governor…

www.nwahomepage.com

Louisiana : https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/t...al-says-state-in-darkest-days-of-pandemic.amp

Florida:

Covid cases overwhelm the Gulf Coast, leaving region with no I.C.U. beds. (Published 2021)

www.nytimes.com

Alabama:

Alabama Hospitals Have Run Out Of ICU Beds As COVID-19 Cases Surge

There are 29 more patients than there are open ICU beds as of Wednesday. The recent run, reminiscent of early in the pandemic, is occurring largely in states with the lowest vaccination rates.

www.npr.org

Mississippi:

Mississippi officials sound off about no capacity in ICUs statewide

State data show, from July 9 to Aug. 5, 97% of new COVID-19 infections, 89% of hospitalizations and 82% of deaths occurred in unvaccinated residents.

amp.clarionledger.com

Mississippi hospitals request over 1,450 health care workers to fill state's needs

Seventy-three Mississippi hospitals are collectively asking for around 1,400 health care workers, MSDH's Jim Craig said Wednesday.

amp.clarionledger.com

Texas:

Dozens of Texas hospitals are out of ICU beds as COVID-19 cases again overwhelm the state's capacity

"This surge is by far the fastest and most aggressive that we've seen," said the health authority for Austin and Travis County, who urged eligible Texans to get vaccinated.

www.texastribune.org

I don’t know if you are under the impression that the top doctors and administrators from all of these hospitals across all of these states have come together to lie to you about their capacity but I think it should go without saying that that’s not the case.

And as to your comment on why vaccinated people care about whether or not others are. It’s for this very point I’m making above. The hospitals are getting overrun and if you or I or anyone have a family member that heaven forbid is in an accident or has a heart attack or needs dialysis… there are many patients that are not capable of getting the care that they need because you can’t get in at nearly any of our major hospitals where needed specialists and resources are located.

They aren't accounting for the faxt thar COVID-19 patients must be treated in isolation as a unit also. You can't put a COVID-19 patient next door to the guy in recovery following a minor procedure. Puts even further strain on hospitals. I don't get the logic denying strain on medical facilities.

 

[mikedamone]

I don’t know if you are under the impression that the top doctors and administrators from all of these hospitals across all of these states have come together to lie to you about their capacity

They 100% believe they are lying to them. Its all part of a huge conspiracy to gain "control."

 

[Razorbetz]

Would love to know how you can ascertain that the hospital is nearly empty by driving by. These patients aren’t driving themselves in many times, but come by ambulance. Patients are also typically maxed at one guest, and that’s if the patient doesn’t have covid. If they do, unless they’re on the verge of death, guests are not allowed. So rather than look at the parking lot and decide for yourself it’s all a bunch of BS. Maybe you should listen to what the hospitals themselves are saying.

Arkansas:

Only 8 ICU beds available in Arkansas as hospitalizations increase | Arkansas Democrat Gazette

Only eight intensive care unit beds were available in the state Monday when the state's hospitalizations increased by 103 to 1,376, the largest daily increase since the pandemic began.

www.arkansasonline.com

A CLOSER LOOK: hospital ICU beds at a premium due to Delta variant

ARKANSAS (KNWA/KFTA) — Every year the American Hospital Association (AHA) surveys U.S. hospitals — it includes bed occupancy and now COVID-19 bed occupancy projection, due to the pandemic. Governor…

www.nwahomepage.com

Louisiana : https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/t...al-says-state-in-darkest-days-of-pandemic.amp

Florida:

Covid cases overwhelm the Gulf Coast, leaving region with no I.C.U. beds. (Published 2021)

www.nytimes.com

Alabama:

Alabama Hospitals Have Run Out Of ICU Beds As COVID-19 Cases Surge

There are 29 more patients than there are open ICU beds as of Wednesday. The recent run, reminiscent of early in the pandemic, is occurring largely in states with the lowest vaccination rates.

www.npr.org

Mississippi:

Mississippi officials sound off about no capacity in ICUs statewide

State data show, from July 9 to Aug. 5, 97% of new COVID-19 infections, 89% of hospitalizations and 82% of deaths occurred in unvaccinated residents.

amp.clarionledger.com

Mississippi hospitals request over 1,450 health care workers to fill state's needs

Seventy-three Mississippi hospitals are collectively asking for around 1,400 health care workers, MSDH's Jim Craig said Wednesday.

amp.clarionledger.com

Texas:

Dozens of Texas hospitals are out of ICU beds as COVID-19 cases again overwhelm the state's capacity

"This surge is by far the fastest and most aggressive that we've seen," said the health authority for Austin and Travis County, who urged eligible Texans to get vaccinated.

www.texastribune.org

I don’t know if you are under the impression that the top doctors and administrators from all of these hospitals across all of these states have come together to lie to you about their capacity but I think it should go without saying that that’s not the case.

And as to your comment on why vaccinated people care about whether or not others are. It’s for this very point I’m making above. The hospitals are getting overrun and if you or I or anyone have a family member that heaven forbid is in an accident or has a heart attack or needs dialysis… there are many patients that are not capable of getting the care that they need because you can’t get in at nearly any of our major hospitals where needed specialists and resources are located.

Your argument presumes the vaccine is effective and doesn't cause more problems but that is not evident. 74% of Covid outbreak in MA was from vaccinated people:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc...tts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html

Also, a Nobel prize winning virologist says the vaccine causes more problems (by the way, he's not the only one with high credentials making this claim):

https://thenewamerican.com/french-n...vid-variants-urges-the-public-to-reject-jabs/

You think the hospitals are full now, wait until folks start taking that booster.

 

[SoundCore]

So, in other words, EVERYbody?

nope

 

[Hogaholic071990]

Your argument presumes the vaccine is effective and doesn't cause more problems but that is not evident. 74% of Covid outbreak in MA was from vaccinated people:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc...tts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html

Also, a Nobel prize winning virologist says the vaccine causes more problems (by the way, he's not the only one with high credentials making this claim):

https://thenewamerican.com/french-n...vid-variants-urges-the-public-to-reject-jabs/

You think the hospitals are full now, wait until folks start taking that booster.

This has been discussed previously by I believe @HogPocket9455 if I’m not mistaken. that outbreak was tied to an event called “bear week” which was a giant, gay pride festival. Vaccine cards were required to attend. If everyone there was vaccinated, and people got sick, of course it’s going to be someone who was vaccinated. Because they were far and a way more represented than unvaccinated at that event.

Also this quote is pretty telling, “Massachusetts Department of Public Health said, “While DPH has identified cases in the cluster associated with vaccinated individuals, the total number of cases among vaccinated people in Massachusetts remains extremely low, at 0.1% or 5,166 cases out of over 4.3 million fully vaccinated residents.”

You can pick and choose your anecdotes to try to dig in deeper in your stance but in the end the data is not on your side. Not really interested in continuing this discussion though. There’s better ways to spend the day.

 

[SoundCore]

90% of students in this country attend public school so pretty much. People willingly vaccine their kids to send them to public school then rage about the idea of not being able to go to the coffee shop without a vaccine. Highly hypocritical imo.

Have you been fine/okay to go in a coffee shop and not know if everyone has their shot records up to date to attend childcare and public schools?

 

[Razorbetz]

This has been discussed previously by I believe @HogPocket9455 if I’m not mistaken. that outbreak was tied to an event called “bear week” which was a giant, gay pride festival. Vaccine cards were required to attend. If everyone there was vaccinated, and people got sick, of course it’s going to be someone who was vaccinated. Because they were far and a way more represented than unvaccinated at that event.

Also this quote is pretty telling, “Massachusetts Department of Public Health said, “While DPH has identified cases in the cluster associated with vaccinated individuals, the total number of cases among vaccinated people in Massachusetts remains extremely low, at 0.1% or 5,166 cases out of over 4.3 million fully vaccinated residents.”

You can pick and choose your anecdotes to try to dig in deeper in your stance but in the end the data is not on your side. Not really interested in continuing this discussion though. There’s better ways to spend the day.

The fact is vaccinated people are testing positive.

Israel has one of the highest vaccination rates (80% in adults) but it's Covid infection rate has doubled in the last two weeks. https://news.yahoo.com/israel-one-worlds-highest-daily-144237591.html

Vaccinated people are testing positive and Nobel prize virologists/people with higher credentials than both you and me that understand mRNA technology are saying it can cause more harm.

There is nothing categorically settled on this subject -- plenty of arguments on both sides which is why it makes no sense to mandate any medical intervention.

 

[Styflin]

How many of those hospital beds are full of people that have been vaccinated or are there for underlying serious medical conditions? Running out of hospital beds -- I drive by a hospital every day that is nearly empty.

You really aren't as smart as you think you are. Just saying.

 

[MR_ARKANSAS]

The fact is vaccinated people are testing positive.

Israel has one of the highest vaccination rates (80% in adults) but it's Covid infection rate has doubled in the last two weeks. https://news.yahoo.com/israel-one-worlds-highest-daily-144237591.html

Vaccinated people are testing positive and Nobel prize virologists/people with higher credentials than both you and me that understand mRNA technology are saying it can cause more harm.

There is nothing categorically settled on this subject -- plenty of arguments on both sides which is why it makes no sense to mandate any medical intervention.

How about the death rate and the hospitalization rates? Are vaccinated people taking up as many beds or drawers in the morgue?

*Edit* I just checked. 75% of those hospitalized in Israel were/are not vaccinated and 97% of the deaths are people unvaccinated. I guess that is just the same lucky coincidence we are seeing all over the world.

 

[Razorbetz]

You really aren't as smart as you think you are. Just saying.

Lol, thanks for that comment but how do you know what my opinion of myself is?

 

[Razorbetz]

How about the death rate and the hospitalization rates? Are vaccinated people taking up as many beds or drawers in the morgue?

*Edit* I just checked. 75% of those hospitalized in Israel were/are not vaccinated and 97% of the deaths are people unvaccinated. I guess that is just the same lucky coincidence we are seeing all over the world.

Seriously doubt that but let's just agree to disagree. I'm sure different sites have different stats, etc. I honestly care more about what experienced, credible doctors in the field of RNA technology say at this point because there has been no independent long term studies done.

By the way, I'm not vilifying anyone who chooses to get vaccinated -- that's totally their choice. I just hope they received informed consent before they chose. Everyone has different reasons for why they choose or choose not to get vaccinated and it should be every person's choice on what gets injected into their body.

Just to circle back to the OP topic -- whether or not you get to go watch the Hogs in person should not be dictated by what pharmaceutical product is present in your bloodstream. That is a dangerous and slippery slope.

 

[HogPocket9455]

This has been discussed previously by I believe @HogPocket9455 if I’m not mistaken. that outbreak was tied to an event called “bear week” which was a giant, gay pride festival. Vaccine cards were required to attend. If everyone there was vaccinated, and people got sick, of course it’s going to be someone who was vaccinated. Because they were far and a way more represented than unvaccinated at that event.

Also this quote is pretty telling, “Massachusetts Department of Public Health said, “While DPH has identified cases in the cluster associated with vaccinated individuals, the total number of cases among vaccinated people in Massachusetts remains extremely low, at 0.1% or 5,166 cases out of over 4.3 million fully vaccinated residents.”

You can pick and choose your anecdotes to try to dig in deeper in your stance but in the end the data is not on your side. Not really interested in continuing this discussion though. There’s better ways to spend the day.

It wasn't me that discussed it, but I have taken note that you associate me with "Bear week."

 

[MR_ARKANSAS]

Seriously doubt that but let's just agree to disagree. I'm sure different sites have different stats, etc. I honestly care more about what experienced, credible doctors in the field of RNA technology say at this point because there has been no independent long term studies done.

By the way, I'm not vilifying anyone who chooses to get vaccinated -- that's totally their choice. I just hope they received informed consent before they chose. Everyone has different reasons for why they choose or choose not to get vaccinated and it should be every person's choice on what gets injected into their body.

Just to circle back to the OP topic -- whether or not you get to go watch the Hogs in person should not be dictated by what pharmaceutical product is present in your bloodstream. That is a dangerous and slippery slope.

My fault. I should have sited my source. My numbers came from the Jerusalem Post. August 5th 2021 sourced by Rossella Tercatin. If it can dictate who attends public school it can surely dictate who attends something as insignificant (I say that loving sports) as attendance to a football. Especially with it being viewed as a legitimate world health crisis now. This happened in 1918 with the Spanish Flu Epidemic also and players/fans were the mask and enjoyed the games.

 

[MR_ARKANSAS]

It's a shame that this has to be said for the thousandth time but yes people who are vaccinated may still test positive.....vaccines aren't cures. They are a preemptive measures designed to prepare the immune system for infection. Based on hospitalizations and death rates of vaccinated vs unvaccinated people, the vaccines are working well in that regard. If you don't want to take it that is one thing but to deny that they are working as designed is wilful ignorance.

 

[Razorbetz]

My fault. I should have sited my source. My numbers came from the Jerusalem Post. August 5th 2021 sourced by Rossella Tercatin. If it can dictate who attends public school it can surely dictate who attends something as insignificant (I say that loving sports) as attendance to a football. Especially with it being viewed as a legitimate world health crisis now. This happened in 1918 with the Spanish Flu Epidemic also and players/fans were the mask and enjoyed the games.

I think there are many people that would strongly disagree with this but I appreciate the discussion.

 

[Razorbetz]

It's a shame that this has to be said for the thousandth time but yes people who are vaccinated may still test positive.....vaccines aren't cures. They are a preemptive measures designed to prepare the immune system for infection. Based on hospitalizations and death rates of vaccinated vs unvaccinated people, the vaccines are working well in that regard. If you don't want to take it that is one thing but to deny that they are working as designed is wilful ignorance.

If vaccines do not prevent infection and/or prevent transmissibility then they offer very little benefit and the risk/reward analysis changes.

It's not willful ignorance to offer different perspectives and evidence. A recent study found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated. So, there is evidence out there that is contrary to your opinion and certain narratives -- that's not willful ignorance by any absurd stretch.

The actual study is available through a link in the article: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...tent&eId=125a1ef1-1190-4434-98df-625672dcee71

 

[mikedamone]

If vaccines do not prevent infection and/or prevent transmissibility then they offer very little benefit and the risk/reward analysis changes.

It's not willful ignorance to offer different perspectives and evidence. A recent study found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated. So, there is evidence out there that is contrary to your opinion and certain narratives -- that's not willful ignorance by any absurd stretch.

The actual study is available through a link in the article: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...tent&eId=125a1ef1-1190-4434-98df-625672dcee71

Not to mention they

1. Are much less symptomatic, meaning they don’t spread through coughing, sneezing, runny nose etc near as much.

2. They shed the virus much quicker and are contagious for a shorter period of time.

 

[mikedamone]

Holy shit, I just realized Razorbetz is getting all his info from RFK Jr’s organization. Straight up crazy ass anti vaxxers across the board. Not just Covid. Everything. OMG he is conspiracy wacko.

 

[SoundCore]

What happens when a vaccine in made that doesn’t provide full immunity? You possibly lead to create more potent strands. So even if you get vaccinated for coronavirus, then there’s the delta strand, then next year another strand, and in 2025 another, ‘26 another, etc. Then it will skip a decade and be something else they’ll make a emergency vaccine up of that and so on.

Imperfect vaccines and the evolution of pathogen virulence - Nature

Vaccines rarely provide full protection from disease. Nevertheless, partially effective (imperfect) vaccines may be used to protect both individuals and whole populations1,2,3. We studied the potential impact of different types of imperfect vaccines on the evolution of pathogen virulence...

www.nature.com

 

[Hogaholic071990]

Holy shit, I just realized Razorbetz is getting all his info from RFK Jr’s organization. Straight up crazy ass anti vaxxers across the board. Not just Covid. Everything. OMG he is conspiracy wacko.

noticed the same thing. Read that article he linked and was like wow what an obviously biased, poorly written article, who could have possibly written this? Then saw where the author was an MD so I was like wow this guy must be crazy and googled the guy. And of course the first thing that pops up is he’s being sued by Baylor for $1 million for lying about his affiliation to them in interviews and publications despite having been fired 6 months prior.

 

[Side-O-Bacon]

Looks like LSU is going this route.

 

[mikedamone]

Might as well go ahead and out this here

 

[mikedamone]

Looks like LSU is going this route.

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Beat me by a second.

 

[Side-O-Bacon]

I went to Silverstone for the British Grand Prix and they required proof of a negative test within 48 hours of the event. To be honest, I thought it was a great policy

 

[Side-O-Bacon]

Beat me by a second

Thats my motto

 

[jegreenwood]

@DuckTalesLOL @mcbmd

Can we get this moved back to the Trough? LSU just put a mandate in place for negative test results or vax card for admittance. I can start another thread, but would like this one to be continued. We can just weed out the political stuff or ignore it.

Thanks,

 

[Mhhoover92]

@DuckTalesLOL @mcbmd

Can we get this moved back to the Trough? LSU just put a mandate in place for negative test results or vax card for admittance. I can start another thread, but would like this one to be continued. We can just weed out the political stuff or ignore it.

Thanks,

Don't bother. My thread is up w all pertinent information regarding the news at LSU.

 

[Italian Arkie]

@DuckTalesLOL @mcbmd

Can we get this moved back to the Trough? LSU just put a mandate in place for negative test results or vax card for admittance. I can start another thread, but would like this one to be continued. We can just weed out the political stuff or ignore it.

Thanks,

We'll see what happens. LSU making games require a vaccine card is a separate topic. I can try to move it back when Arkansas announces it, but I'm sure Hutch will create his own topic with a story.

 

[jegreenwood]

We'll see what happens. LSU making games require a vaccine card is a separate topic. I can try to move it back when Arkansas announces it, but I'm sure Hutch will create his own topic with a story.

Just make sure I get credited, so we can add this to my wall of accolades.

Thanks

 

[Italian Arkie]

Just make sure I get credited, so we can add this to my wall of accolades.

Thanks

I'll let Hutch know to credit you in his story.

 

[The Baconator]

It looks like the grown-ups are running things down in Baton Rouge.

 

[SoundCore]

It looks like the grown-ups are running things down in Baton Rouge.

get that booster yet?

 

[Stevenson3]

Wonder how come we haven't heard about the outcome of the emergency BOT meeting on Monday- maybe because there wasn't one?

 

[Italian Arkie]

Wonder how come we haven't heard about the outcome of the emergency BOT meeting on Monday- maybe because there wasn't one?

You might be on to something here.

@jegreenwood explain yoself

 

[Stevenson3]

I’m not sure- but I think he makes stuff up, makes a post and eventually, he”ll be right

 

[NMHOGG]

He’s less of a, have a thought I must post it, than @ohlordy but I could be damming with faint praise.

 

[Jim_Lahey]

It's a shame that this has to be said for the thousandth time but yes people who are vaccinated may still test positive.....vaccines aren't cures. They are a preemptive measures designed to prepare the immune system for infection. Based on hospitalizations and death rates of vaccinated vs unvaccinated people, the vaccines are working well in that regard. If you don't want to take it that is one thing but to deny that they are working as designed is wilful ignorance.

Well no shit Sherlock. Get the vaccination, and you won’t be a selfish who overwhelmes the hospital system by dipshitss that are too ****ing too stupid grasp concepts beyond a 6th grade science level.

**** each and every one of you unvaccinated s right square in your ****ing with a dildo made of glass chards and cow dung.