Cam Newton....
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Cam Newton is a great football player. One of the best in the league. However he showed his butt last night. The temper tantrum after he got smoked in the endzone, leaving the press conf, not trying to recover the fumble, means he is all about himself. Even Manning was trying to get the ball back when he fumbled. Manning saved a TD on his INT by slowing down the defender. Cam is good for football when he is winning games. Hopefully this will bring him back to Earth. He lost me when he said "After this game they will never forget this Black MVP"..
Right, and I'm glad you're instilling that stuff in your kids. I am actually working really hard with my 6 year old daughter about how to take a loss...she literally doesn't want to compete if she doesn't KNOW she will win. So I completely understand where you are coming from. But I don't think she watched the press conference, and I would love for her to learn to compete with a big grin on her face like Cam does. To me, there is more to like about him than not like.
This is a little different, but I was talking to my wife this morning about bullying. The news mentioned a kid killing himself because a girl bullied him unmercifully, and of course her defense is that she herself is bullied (this has become the common defense). People say that back in the day nobody worried about bullies, but that's because back in the day parents raised their kids to treat others with respect and to behave with humility, not to try to win every possible moment and to always try to prove you are smarter and better than teh kids around you. Parents these days generally suck, is the point, so I think it's awesome that a lot of this is about you wanting your kids to behave the right way.
Not saying that at all.
Im saying deflect deflect deflect. Deflectgate ITT. No one cares about marino besides you I guess.
I agree with you, especially about wanting your child to have fun and still be competitive. A lot of this for me is being disappointed in him for not doing better, saying and doing a lot of the wrong things when he's in this position that he's in. I know that my children are watching him, and I want good role models for them. I really don't hate Cam, and I'm sure a lot of those who feel the same way I do are being shuffled up in the vitriol of people who might hate him for the wrong reasons.
For the record, I will agree that not many people spoke up against him before he was winning fifteen games a year.
Look at Peyton Manning's post game comments from Superbowl 48 and that is a relevant comparison. They were embarrassed in that game and he didn't pout, deflect, or act like a petulant child. He answered the questions and was honest about it.
Can we hate Manning for Drinking " A ton of Budweiser" after he won the super bowl?
Just curious..
Just curious..
People hate Cam because he is a douche bag cry baby that is one of the sorest losers in sports.
All before the Super Bowl post Presser he was hated lol
This point is valid, but when did being 26 not make you a grown man?
Im not against Cam because of how he celebrates. I'm against him because of the character he shows when things don't go well.
Theft to 180thou to storming out of press conference. Hes an immature brat and the worst kind of competitor.
Theft to 180thou to storming out of press conference. Hes an immature brat and the worst kind of competitor.
If all Cam did was "dab" and do his superman thingy after a TD......nobody would hate him or give him much flak.
Please explain why you consider him one of the sorest losers in the sport?
Yup. I agree with you and think Cam could learn a lot from Peyton - and probably will. But, I do think he is held to a different standard by a lot of people.
If he's compared to Peyton Manning, maybe. But Russell Wilson is a far more apt comparison in age and expectations, and he handled a similar situation infinitely better.
Bring back Prohibition! That's what this thread is about, right?
So with this logic, a 46 year old would handle it better than Manning, amirite? Am I doing this right?
Would love to see an 86 year old do the presser. That'd be some wise, wise comments from him.
Russell Wilson seems like a great guy. There are a lot of Richmond people in my area and they say he is exactly what he says he is. Not a fake bone in his body. I like him a lot personally.
Cam isn't Russell and I suspect he never was, is, or will be. And more important, he will never and should never apologize for that.
My point is this: haters are killing Cam right now for something that isn't that big of a deal. It's because they are threatened by what he represents. You think he subconsciously knew what he was doing wearing that hoodie last night? I do. You might disagree and that's ok too. I think Cam (and Beyoncé) are redefining leadership in the black community and I think it's great. Uncomfortable but great.
Cam isn't Russell and I suspect he never was, is, or will be. And more important, he will never and should never apologize for that.
My point is this: haters are killing Cam right now for something that isn't that big of a deal. It's because they are threatened by what he represents. You think he subconsciously knew what he was doing wearing that hoodie last night? I do. You might disagree and that's ok too. I think Cam (and Beyoncé) are redefining leadership in the black community and I think it's great. Uncomfortable but great.
Not certain but I think you've "one-upped" every deflect, comment, and argument against you ITT.
I award you Thread Champion.
(somewhere Cam is pouting about this, too)
How does race end up in everything? Lort.
#alllivesmatter
Did you just start watching football this year?
His first years in the NFL he was scrutinized heavily for being a sore loser and pouting all the time after his struggles.
Yeah, there isn't any point in this. You hate the guy because of what are probably your own personal shortcomings. I don't hate any athletes that I can think of off the top of my head. Cam was my most hated athlete for a couple of years...but you and I are obviously much different. I think it's pathetic to hate a superstar...just seems small to me. But carry on, you obviously were just as mature at 26 as you were at 36. I'm sure you have led a great life and handled every press conference you've ever had perfectly.
Because people like you dislike the successful people that embrace black culture? I donno. Russell Wilson is my hero! He acts just like my boss!
let me add, I agree that @Turbo Buffalo has done a great job respectfully making his point in this thread. @1-1-Six Hog not so much.
Yes.
To come on a Hog board and accuse folks of hating Cam because of the "dab' move is a little ignorant.
How many points is a touchdown?
So bc he pouts when he loses that makes him the sorest loser in the NFL.
This, This, This!
I thought that if I had the op to weigh in that this is the direction I'd go.
Cam is probably right about me. I'm 60 years old and I've got images, and stereotypes, and bias, and prejudices, that likely I haven't
been able to completely set aside....I try, I honestly try. I want to take my last breath secure in the knowledge that either I judged not lest
I be judged, or at least judged by the content of the character rather than the color of the skin.......I want to be that man.....
I rooted for the Broncs. I rooted for Manning. I rooted for Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware....
I rooted against Cam. I think he was the league MVP and had a wonderful year, but I don't like him. Don't like Manziel either for most of the
same reasons but I'm not gonna derail my main train.
I didn't like him at Aubbie, and haven't like him since he joined the Panthers. He irked me. His success this year didn't have me
up in arms in angst. The yanking down of the Packer posters and such just firmed in my mind that he was a overpaid jerk pro
and hated he beat my Cowboys and that was about it by and large.
The things I don't like about Cam would probably substantiate many of his feelings about me. I've got predetermined ideas of what is
acceptable and unacceptable behaviors as professionals and likely many of them are rooted in historical bias and prejudices that I can't
let go of.
I love exuberance and elation and joy and happiness and celebration that goes with winning, and scoring, and stopping, and big plays!
BUT, I've got my own ideas of what is right and wrong, good and bad, over the top and bad taste, etc.
Some probably has origins in racial bias, but many don't.
REGARDLESS, I could have, and many of his haters and detractors, could have, gained much respect, grudgingly given kudos, saluted, 2 thumbs upped,etc if he had come in with his shoulders squared and given due last night.
I know the pain of the big game loss, I know the harsh lights and intense sense of defeat and despair and despising the moment, but DAMN, pros
gotta do it, gotta tough it out.
I wasn't expecting or demanding humble pie, Uncle Samming, in my place crap.....I'm.... not.... that..... guy.
I wanting to give him props, I wanted him to show me that he was who they had built up all week.....the matured, the team leader, the professional.
MikeDamone reads me like a open book...."Cam, dammit son, I gave you a chance to show me something that I could use to see you
differently....I wanted to.........and I got nothing ....nothing for me.....nothing for you".
Mike, you are right. It sucks.
OP, your comparison to Manning is stupid.
Personally, I just think Cam's a douche. Never liked him at Auburn and don't like him now.
Personally, I just think Cam's a douche. Never liked him at Auburn and don't like him now.
lol......no longer my thing........thought it was a little too flip for him, but no biggie for me
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